Jaime Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 [quote name='Resurrexi' date='02 July 2010 - 05:39 PM' timestamp='1278106773' post='2137077'] This is the evil that could be done: One could fail to follow our Lord's command to pray for our enemies. [/quote] Well except I still do so that doesn't work Besides did Christopher Hitchens become my enemy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 [quote name='hot stuff' date='02 July 2010 - 05:03 PM' timestamp='1278104639' post='2137061'] I love Scripture. I detest the battle of Scripture passages.... If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or towneth. [/quote] I love that the two do not conflict, and how leaving a town does not make it ok to not pray for that town. You are commanded to love and pray for your enemies and those that hate you. If I tell some one that hates me that I am praying for them very likely they will reply with hate and ask that I dont pray. Just as Christopher Hitchens. Even so I obey my Lord's commandment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 (edited) ... Edited July 2, 2010 by KnightofChrist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 [quote name='KnightofChrist' date='02 July 2010 - 05:46 PM' timestamp='1278107165' post='2137083'] I love that the two do not conflict, and how leaving a town does not make it ok to not pray for that town. You are commanded to love and pray for your enemies and those that hate you. If I tell some one that hates me that I am praying for them very likely they will reply with hate and ask that I dont pray. Just as Christopher Hitchens. Even so I obey my Lord's commandment. [/quote] Whatever works for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 [quote name='hot stuff' date='02 July 2010 - 04:40 PM' timestamp='1278106834' post='2137078'] Well except I still do so that doesn't work Besides did Christopher Hitchens become my enemy? [/quote] He is most certainly an enemy of monotheism, which consequently makes him an enemy of the Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 [quote name='Resurrexi' date='02 July 2010 - 05:49 PM' timestamp='1278107393' post='2137087'] He is most certainly an enemy of monotheism, which consequently makes him an enemy of the Church. [/quote] Because he doesn't agree with it? He hasn't banned it. He became a US citizen which allows for the freedom of religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 [quote name='hot stuff' date='02 July 2010 - 05:49 PM' timestamp='1278107378' post='2137086'] Whatever works for you [/quote] To obey our Lord in this reguard should 'work' for us both, a shame for you it does not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 [quote name='hot stuff' date='02 July 2010 - 04:52 PM' timestamp='1278107565' post='2137091'] Because he doesn't agree with it? He hasn't banned it. He became a US citizen which allows for the freedom of religion. [/quote] If you don't see how one of the most prominent anti-theist writers in the world is an enemy of monotheism, I don't think I can help you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 [quote name='hot stuff' date='02 July 2010 - 05:36 PM' timestamp='1278106600' post='2137076'] And what evil is done by respecting the wish of someone who requests not to pray for them? [/quote] Certainly no good. Christ commands us to pray for others, including unrepentant sinners. "Respecting the wishes of others" is not the highest good in the world, and is certainly not a higher priority than the souls of others. I could think of a lot of requests another person could make that we should not oblige. You avoided the question. How can evil come out of praying to God for another? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 [quote name='Resurrexi' date='02 July 2010 - 05:54 PM' timestamp='1278107672' post='2137093'] If you don't see how one of the most prominent anti-theist writers in the world is an enemy of monotheism, I don't think I can help you. [/quote] Well first of all kiddo, I think its awfully presumptuous of you to think I need your help. Secondly, give me a definition of who my enemy is. Because right now you are including anyone who doesn't believe as the Church does. As much as I dislike what he's said and written, Christopher Hitchens has done nothing to impede the spread of the Gospel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 [quote name='hot stuff' date='02 July 2010 - 04:59 PM' timestamp='1278107988' post='2137096'] Secondly, give me a definition of who my enemy is. Because right now you are including anyone who doesn't believe as the Church does. As much as I dislike what he's said and written, Christopher Hitchens has done nothing to impede the spread of the Gospel. [/quote] Actively promoting anti-theism doesn't constitute an attempt to impede the spread of the Gospel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 [quote name='Socrates' date='02 July 2010 - 05:57 PM' timestamp='1278107875' post='2137095'] Certainly no good. Christ commands us to pray for others, including unrepentant sinners. "Respecting the wishes of others" is not the highest good in the world, and is certainly not a higher priority than the souls of others. I could think of a lot of requests another person could make that we should not oblige. You avoided the question. How can evil come out of praying to God for another? [/quote] I wasn't avoiding the question. I don't recall ever suggesting that it was evil. I said that I struggled with the notion of praying for people who specifically asked that I don't. It was you and a few others who were jumping on my case about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 [quote name='hot stuff' date='02 July 2010 - 05:36 PM' timestamp='1278106600' post='2137076'] And what evil is done by respecting the wish of someone who requests not to pray for them? [/quote] Respect God rather than men. Obey His commandment to pray for those who hate us. The evil is not doing so and thus respecting unjust wishes of men rather than the Divine will of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 [quote name='Resurrexi' date='02 July 2010 - 06:01 PM' timestamp='1278108060' post='2137098'] Actively promoting anti-theism doesn't constitute an attempt to impede the spread of the Gospel? [/quote] Not by itself no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 [quote name='KnightofChrist' date='02 July 2010 - 06:03 PM' timestamp='1278108210' post='2137102'] Respect God rather than men. Obey His commandment to pray for those who hate us. The evil is not doing so and thus respecting unjust wishes of men rather than the Divine will of God. [/quote] well then let's include more Gospel shall we? Because you're editing a bit. It isn't respect God rather than man its whoever loves God must love his brother. And that is dramatically different than what you are saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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