20 Ways For Women To Claim The Respect They Deserve

[ardillacid]

[quote name='Hassan' date='20 July 2010 - 05:01 PM' timestamp='1279659702' post='2145628']
Dairy moment
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I'm going to quote that in my dream journal so I can think about it as I slumber!

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='ThePenciledOne' date='20 July 2010 - 04:51 PM' timestamp='1279659085' post='2145618']
Maybe it is because a women's beauty or how she thinks of herself is a reflection of her behavior. For a man that is not such the case at least not entirely so. For masculinity men need a more fixing on our internal for our strength comes from within not from hitting the gym.
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Hm, not really sure I get your meaning.

[Sirklawd]

Alot of those are duplicates in a way, but it's still a great list The guy's list is great too! In general, I think the guys have alot more to fix within themselves than the girls in this society.

I hope no one minds me posting these here again. I made this website a year ago from the perspective of good men, encouraging women not to believe the lies about immodesty/self respect. www.demandyourdignity.com

similarly, a ton of guys at my youthgroup got together and made this video that is sort of the same idea as this list!:

http://www.battleforlove.com/2010/06/video-dont-believe-the-lies/

(i'd post the video directly here, but im at work and cant get to youtube)

[Sojourner]

[quote name='Sirklawd' date='21 July 2010 - 10:33 AM' timestamp='1279730030' post='2145925']
In general, I think the guys have alot more to fix within themselves than the girls in this society.[/quote]
I know you're a dude, but I have to say I really don't like this sort of statement, comparing genders in this way. I suppose it is sort of a backhanded compliment, and perhaps intended to be chivalrous, but honesty and a love for Truth demands that I tell you that women are awful sinners too.

IMO, this is symptomatic of a dangerous way of thinking that has crept into society, that men are somehow worth less than women, more awful, bigger losers, etc. I think it is a byproduct of an overly strident feminism that has trickled down into how we perceive men, and it's wrong. People of both genders are sinful, and yet both are worth of respect.

/endrant

(sorry to jump all over this, but it is a pet peeve. Maybe being wife to a fabulous man and mom to a beautiful son has influenced me. )

[Sirklawd]

[quote name='Terra Firma' date='21 July 2010 - 12:43 PM' timestamp='1279730636' post='2145928']
I know you're a dude, but I have to say I really don't like this sort of statement, comparing genders in this way. I suppose it is sort of a backhanded compliment, and perhaps intended to be chivalrous, but honesty and a love for Truth demands that I tell you that women are awful sinners too.

IMO, this is symptomatic of a dangerous way of thinking that has crept into society, that men are somehow worth less than women, more awful, bigger losers, etc. I think it is a byproduct of an overly strident feminism that has trickled down into how we perceive men, and it's wrong. People of both genders are sinful, and yet both are worth of respect.

/endrant

(sorry to jump all over this, but it is a pet peeve. Maybe being wife to a fabulous man and mom to a beautiful son has influenced me. )
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Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying men are more sinful than women, or worth less or whatever. I'm just saying that when it comes to the sexualization of women in today's culture, I think men (by changing themselves and standing for truth) can help the problem more than women.

Like a lot of things on the women's list wouldn't be there if men were better. There's alot of "don't settle", "don't give in" on the women's list. I agree with this totally. But it becomes a battle of attrition almost. How long can a woman hold out for a good man if there aren't any? The temptation to give in and settle for the feeling of love is huge.

Once men really start changing things will really start improving. That's kinda more what I meant.

[Sojourner]

[quote name='Sirklawd' date='21 July 2010 - 10:55 AM' timestamp='1279731336' post='2145934']
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying men are more sinful than women, or worth less or whatever. I'm just saying that when it comes to the sexualization of women in today's culture, I think men (by changing themselves and standing for truth) can help the problem more than women.

Like a lot of things on the women's list wouldn't be there if men were better. There's alot of "don't settle", "don't give in" on the women's list. I agree with this totally. But it becomes a battle of attrition almost. How long can a woman hold out for a good man if there aren't any? The temptation to give in and settle for the feeling of love is huge.

Once men really start changing things will really start improving. That's kinda more what I meant.
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See, and I'd say that women play just as big a role in this as men. Women are not innocent victims in this game. We asked for this (as a gender, not personally ... in my case, at least ).

For example, I believe one of the biggest behind-the-scenes culprits when it comes to oversexualization is the Pill. Even if not every woman takes it, it affects all of us. A great book to read on this is "The Decline of Males" by Lionel Tiger. He details the impact of contraception on male-female relationships, and backs it up with well-researched sociological data. Women pushed for the Pill because we wanted to be liberated from the responsibilities of sexual behavior, and guys wanted it for the same reason. That's led to all sorts of immorality, as well as to abortion. Jurisprudentially, you can also link contraception to societal approval of gay behavior and, perhaps eventually, to societal approval of gay marriage.

The mess we're in is not due just to male influence. We knowingly went along with it too, and as a gender have huge amounts of work to do if reparation is to be made.

[Socrates]

Sexual morality is a two-way street. In reality, you can't have one sex being virtuous and the other not. To restore sexual morality is going to take proactive effort from both sexes. Men need to learn self-control and chivalry, stay away from porn, and stop treating women as objects. Women need to stop dressing and acting like silly sallies and start demanding that men treat them with respect, and defend their chastity, rather than willingly jump into bed with any guy they they think is cute or whatever.

It has to go both ways. Men and women need to work on this together, rather than just point fingers and pretend to be innocent victims (more common with the ladies, maybe, but you see it from guys too "girls are all such silly sallies today, what else can I do?")

[Sojourner]

[quote name='Socrates' date='21 July 2010 - 11:38 AM' timestamp='1279733935' post='2145965']
Sexual morality is a two-way street. In reality, you can't have one sex being virtuous and the other not. To restore sexual morality is going to take proactive effort from both sexes. Men need to learn self-control and chivalry, stay away from porn, and stop treating women as objects. Women need to stop dressing and acting like silly sallies and start demanding that men treat them with respect, and defend their chastity, rather than willingly jump into bed with any guy they they think is cute or whatever.

It has to go both ways. Men and women need to work on this together, rather than just point fingers and pretend to be innocent victims (more common with the ladies, maybe, but you see it from guys too "girls are all such silly sallies today, what else can I do?")
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This is my point, only more succinct.

[jeffpugh]

[quote name='Socrates' date='21 July 2010 - 01:38 PM' timestamp='1279733935' post='2145965']
Sexual morality is a two-way street. In reality, you can't have one sex being virtuous and the other not. To restore sexual morality is going to take proactive effort from both sexes. Men need to learn self-control and chivalry, stay away from porn, and stop treating women as objects. Women need to stop dressing and acting like silly sallies and start demanding that men treat them with respect, and defend their chastity, rather than willingly jump into bed with any guy they they think is cute or whatever.

It has to go both ways. Men and women need to work on this together, rather than just point fingers and pretend to be innocent victims (more common with the ladies, maybe, but you see it from guys too "girls are all such silly sallies today, what else can I do?")
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Plus one to this, and plus one to ye all!

[Sirklawd]

[quote name='Socrates' date='21 July 2010 - 01:38 PM' timestamp='1279733935' post='2145965']
Sexual morality is a two-way street. In reality, you can't have one sex being virtuous and the other not. To restore sexual morality is going to take proactive effort from both sexes. Men need to learn self-control and chivalry, stay away from porn, and stop treating women as objects. Women need to stop dressing and acting like silly sallies and start demanding that men treat them with respect, and defend their chastity, rather than willingly jump into bed with any guy they they think is cute or whatever.

It has to go both ways. Men and women need to work on this together, rather than just point fingers and pretend to be innocent victims (more common with the ladies, maybe, but you see it from guys too "girls are all such silly sallies today, what else can I do?")
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Def agree. again, I'm not trying to play a blame game.

The bottom line is that it's much easier for one sex to be virtuous when they see the other sex being virtuous. One inspires the other, and each inspire eachother. I see much more women in this category than men. That's where my emphasis on men comes from. Maybe I just am sitting in the jackpot locale for awesome women.

[ThePenciledOne]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='20 July 2010 - 06:20 PM' timestamp='1279660840' post='2145641']
Hm, not really sure I get your meaning.
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Either read slower or what can I explain better? Sorry, I tend to write sorta dogmatically online bad crutch of mine haha

Just let me know what I can do.

[missionseeker]

[quote name='Terra Firma' date='21 July 2010 - 12:06 PM' timestamp='1279731977' post='2145937']
Lionel Tiger.
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[Sojourner]

[quote name='ThePenciledOne' date='20 July 2010 - 02:51 PM' timestamp='1279659085' post='2145618']
Maybe it is because a women's beauty or how she thinks of herself is a reflection of her behavior. For a man that is not such the case at least not entirely so. For masculinity men need a more fixing on our internal for our strength comes from within not from hitting the gym.
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Your original statement.

I too found it difficult to understand, primarily because it lacks essential punctuation, and because you have several places where there are awkward or incorrect words.

[quote name='ThePenciledOne' date='22 July 2010 - 12:06 AM' timestamp='1279778767' post='2146262']
Either read slower or what can I explain better? Sorry, I tend to write sorta dogmatically online bad crutch of mine haha

Just let me know what I can do.
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Two thoughts:
1) When someone asks these sorts of questions, what they're asking you to do is re-state your premise in a clearer and more straightforward manner.
2) My problem was not that your original post was [url="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=M8v&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&defl=en&q=define:dogmatically&sa=X&ei=DUJITIXAEcminQeSxZj3DQ&ved=0CBIQkAE"]dogmatically[/url] stated. My problem was that it was [url="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=6Sb&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=define%3Aincomprehensible&btnG=Search"]incomprehensible[/url].

[quote name='missionseeker' date='22 July 2010 - 12:30 AM' timestamp='1279780233' post='2146265']

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Yep. He has a funny name. Any thoughts on the rest of the post?

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Terra Firma' date='21 July 2010 - 09:43 AM' timestamp='1279730636' post='2145928']
I know you're a dude, but I have to say I really don't like this sort of statement, comparing genders in this way. I suppose it is sort of a backhanded compliment, and perhaps intended to be chivalrous, but honesty and a love for Truth demands that I tell you that women are awful sinners too.

IMO, this is symptomatic of a dangerous way of thinking that has crept into society, that men are somehow worth less than women, more awful, bigger losers, etc. I think it is a byproduct of an overly strident feminism that has trickled down into how we perceive men, and it's wrong. People of both genders are sinful, and yet both are worth of respect.

/endrant

(sorry to jump all over this, but it is a pet peeve. Maybe being wife to a fabulous man and mom to a beautiful son has influenced me. )
[/quote]
agreed.

[quote name='Terra Firma' date='21 July 2010 - 10:06 AM' timestamp='1279731977' post='2145937']
See, and I'd say that women play just as big a role in this as men. Women are not innocent victims in this game. We asked for this (as a gender, not personally ... in my case, at least ).

For example, I believe one of the biggest behind-the-scenes culprits when it comes to oversexualization is the Pill. Even if not every woman takes it, it affects all of us. A great book to read on this is "The Decline of Males" by Lionel Tiger. He details the impact of contraception on male-female relationships, and backs it up with well-researched sociological data. Women pushed for the Pill because we wanted to be liberated from the responsibilities of sexual behavior, and guys wanted it for the same reason. That's led to all sorts of immorality, as well as to abortion. Jurisprudentially, you can also link contraception to societal approval of gay behavior and, perhaps eventually, to societal approval of gay marriage.

The mess we're in is not due just to male influence. We knowingly went along with it too, and as a gender have huge amounts of work to do if reparation is to be made.
[/quote]
interesting, thanks for the book tip.

[missionseeker]

[quote name='Terra Firma' date='21 July 2010 - 12:06 PM' timestamp='1279731977' post='2145937']
See, and I'd say that women play just as big a role in this as men. Women are not innocent victims in this game. We asked for this (as a gender, not personally ... in my case, at least ).

For example, I believe one of the biggest behind-the-scenes culprits when it comes to oversexualization is the Pill. Even if not every woman takes it, it affects all of us. A great book to read on this is "The Decline of Males" by Lionel Tiger. He details the impact of contraception on male-female relationships, and backs it up with well-researched sociological data. Women pushed for the Pill because we wanted to be liberated from the responsibilities of sexual behavior, and guys wanted it for the same reason. That's led to all sorts of immorality, as well as to abortion. Jurisprudentially, you can also link contraception to societal approval of gay behavior and, perhaps eventually, to societal approval of gay marriage.

The mess we're in is not due just to male influence. We knowingly went along with it too, and as a gender have huge amounts of work to do if reparation is to be made.
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[quote name='Terra Firma' date='22 July 2010 - 08:08 AM' timestamp='1279804135' post='2146278']

Yep. He has a funny name. Any thoughts on the rest of the post?
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Forgive me, it was 2am (even though the time stamp says 12:30. I was in Miami at Denny's then. ). Any other thoughts I had at that moment would have probably come out incomprehensibly. I think you are correct you say this. Women bought into the lies of modern culture at least as much as men did (obviously, not ALL men and not ALL women). I think that when we began to think of sexuality and fertility as something that needed to be fixed or changed or stopped, we stopped thinking of ourselves as fully human. Honestly, it's not about women or men or who did what wrong. The whole point of this journey is for every single one of us to get to Heaven - to be fully human. Now yes, we'll go about it in different ways specific to the different sexes. But for the most part it isn't "if women would dress more modestly, men would treat them better" or "If men actually respected women, they wouldn't feel they needed to dress so scantily". The whole problem is that if we were more human, then the inclinations inside of us all - desires for justice, for charity, for love given and received, for peace, ect. - would be better fulfilled. ETA: When we deny any part of our humanity, there are ripple effects to the rest. We deny that we desire love and we turn into bitter persons. We deny aspects of our sexuality and we turn into promiscuous persons. We deny the desire for justice and we turn into greedy persons, ect. You know people say "ah, well, it's human" when we make mistakes. But we weren't intended to be flawed. We were intended for perfection and we are called to perfection. And to use our humanity as an excuse for our screw ups doesn't cut it. Placing the balme on one sex or the other is unjust to both sexes.

Edited July 22, 2010 by missionseeker