bonkers Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 [quote name='Winchester' date='24 July 2010 - 09:20 AM' timestamp='1279981243' post='2147401'] That's a skill, then. Many would leave out a letter, or something. [/quote] They would be illiterate in that case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintOfVirtue Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 Read article. polled no and no. Is this the same Group that wanted to open a mosque right across from Ground Zero? Don't get me wrong they should be allowed to build a mosque there, when we can build a church and a synagogue in Yemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 [quote name='bonkers' date='24 July 2010 - 12:30 PM' timestamp='1279989022' post='2147432'] They would be illiterate in that case. [/quote] Your definition of "illiterate" is too broad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 [quote name='Socrates' date='23 July 2010 - 03:10 PM' timestamp='1279919426' post='2147101'] If you read the original questions in the thread, you'd note they are: "Should the archdiocese have sold the convent to the Muslim group?" and "Is it bigotry to purposefully not sell property to a group based on their religious beliefs?" There was nothing in there about the motivations of protesters nor the proposed ground-zero mosque. (I doubt you're really competent to judge their inner intentions, anyway, If I was in New York, I would probably protest this myself. Building a mosque on the site of where buildings were destroyed and many killed in the name of Islam is in extremely bad taste, to say the very least, imo. It's far cry from not wanting mosques built at Ground Zero to preventing any and all mosques from being built. They can build mosques all they want, just not at Ground Zero.) In any case, the question was whether a Catholic church should sell a building to a Muslim group, and whether it was bigotry to not sell the building to Muslims. I say no to both. The board of trustees of the church made the decision not to sell to the Muslims, and you have yet to have proven that their decision was bigoted. Not selling a building to an organization of a particular religious ideology is not in itself bigotry. I certainly don't think Catholics are under any obligation to sell church buildings to Muslim groups. I don't think the Catholic Church should give any support to Islam, a false religious ideology which has been a serious enemy of Christendom from its beginnings, even indirectly, as by selling buildings. Refusing to sell the building to Muslims is no more bigotry than refusing to sell the building to Jack Chick, the Church of Scientology, the Church of Satan, Planned Parenthood, or the Anglicans. (Take it easy, IgnatiusofLoyola, the Anglicans part was supposed to be funny.) Refusing to sell land to those of a religious group whose objectives are contrary to one's own is not bigotry, but conviction. To say otherwise is to indulge in pc. relativistic mush. [/quote] Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 If a group of satanists or Planned Parenthood wanted to buy it, would they also be called bigots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePenciledOne Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 [quote name='Winchester' date='24 July 2010 - 10:59 AM' timestamp='1279979946' post='2147395'] You don't think bigotry is part of Christianity? Do you not hold strongly and obstinately to the Christian faith? [/quote] I do, but I would not call it bigotry, it's called holding the faith and believing. So no I would not be a [b]Bigot: a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own. [/b]Otherwise I will hold my tongue beyond this point. [b] [/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 [quote name='ThePenciledOne' date='24 July 2010 - 03:47 PM' timestamp='1280000877' post='2147513'] I do, but I would not call it bigotry, it's called holding the faith and believing. So no I would not be a [b]Bigot: a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own. [/b]Otherwise I will hold my tongue beyond this point. [b] [/b] [/quote] You've voted that the church should not have sold the building to the Muslim group, and that to not sell it constitutes bigotry. Are you saying that it constitutes bigotry for Catholics to refuse to sell land to be used by a false religion which opposes the Catholic Faith? How would you answer the two questions posted earlier? [quote name='Slappo' date='23 July 2010 - 04:36 PM' timestamp='1279917389' post='2147040'] Would it be bigotry if we chose not to sell the land to Satanists who wanted to use the convent as their place to say black masses and desecrate hosts? [/quote] [quote name='CatherineM' date='24 July 2010 - 02:44 PM' timestamp='1279997093' post='2147479'] If a group of satanists or Planned Parenthood wanted to buy it, would they also be called bigots? [/quote] Yes, these are "extreme" examples, and I'm not implying that the Muslims who wanted to buy the building are just as evil as satanists or abortionists, but the principle remains the same. There is nothing obligating Christians to support or sell property to groups whose goals are opposed to the Christian Faith. Accusations of bigotry are slung around much too loosely these days, and are often made against anyone who stands up for their principles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonkers Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 [quote name='Winchester' date='24 July 2010 - 12:30 PM' timestamp='1279992625' post='2147452'] Your definition of "illiterate" is too broad. [/quote] How so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 [quote name='bonkers' date='24 July 2010 - 08:47 PM' timestamp='1280018832' post='2147643'] How so? [/quote] Calling someone illiterate for a simple...hey, wait a minute... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonkers Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 [quote name='Winchester' date='24 July 2010 - 10:33 PM' timestamp='1280028790' post='2147707'] Calling someone illiterate for a simple...hey, wait a minute... [/quote] Literally speaking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 [quote name='bonkers' date='24 July 2010 - 11:37 PM' timestamp='1280029078' post='2147711'] Literally speaking... [/quote] Sorry. I was in the middle of explaining when I realized I was taking you seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonkers Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 [quote name='Winchester' date='24 July 2010 - 10:38 PM' timestamp='1280029123' post='2147712'] Sorry. I was in the middle of explaining when I realized I was taking you seriously. [/quote] Forgiven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 i voted no and no. i just personally believe catholics should sell their property to people who uphold and promote the catholic religion. and it's not bigotry to make your own choice about your own property. that word (along with "racist") is over-used and played-out in society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark of the Cross Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 The first is not for me to say. It's entirely up to the owners what they want to do and one that would have to be considered on its merits. The second is a no for me. A friend of ours neighbour refused to sell her house to the aboriginal cooperative because she feared the bad elements of the aboriginal people might be moved in and she didn't want to take that risk and inflict them on her long time friend. She is not saying anything against the aboriginal race in general therefore she is not being bigoted. Just that she did not want to risk it. People have the right to sell to whomever they please and if they don't want to sell to someone they disagree with, then they are free to choose that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark of the Cross Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 [quote name='ThePenciledOne' date='24 July 2010 - 04:51 PM' timestamp='1279947086' post='2147334'] I feel as if it this was motivated by bigotry, which for a group of Christians is a bit intolerable, [/quote] Naturally! In any given group, bigotry is rife. [quote] Is this the same Group that wanted to open a mosque right across from Ground Zero? Don't get me wrong they should be allowed to build a mosque there, when we can build a church and a synagogue in Yemen. [/quote] [quote](let's put aside the radical Islam), personally I don't care about Musliums, but I find this all a bit ridiculous. If the roles were reversed I am sure we would be outraged instead. Given its property and property is subject to the owner, but it sounds like it was going to go through until the people caught wind of it....Oh well.[/quote] The philosophy is that Muslims should be tolerant of Christians in their country first before Christians show tolerance to Muslims in Christian countries. Being very Christian we want them to be ahead of us. [quote name='bonkers' date='25 July 2010 - 02:01 AM' timestamp='1279980113' post='2147396'] Hi chinwester. tong lime no see. [/quote] Rm chinwester to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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