Staten Island Former Convent Not Sold To Muslim Group

[Socrates]

[quote name='Mark of the Cross' date='26 July 2010 - 12:27 AM' timestamp='1280118445' post='2148142']
The philosophy is that Muslims should be tolerant of Christians in their country first before Christians show tolerance to Muslims in Christian countries. Being very Christian we want them to be ahead of us.
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In Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia, Christians are not allowed to so much as build churches, nor practice their Faith in public.
To compare that to the situation of Muslims in America and other western nations is asinine.

"Tolerance" does not mean Christians must actively support the Islamic religion, nor give in to their every demand.

[ThePenciledOne]

[quote name='Socrates' date='26 July 2010 - 03:34 PM' timestamp='1280169284' post='2148298']
In Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia, Christians are not allowed to so much as build churches, nor practice their Faith in public.
To compare that to the situation of Muslims in America and other western nations is asinine.

"Tolerance" does not mean Christians must actively support the Islamic religion, nor give in to their every demand.
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Once does not imply we give into all their 'demands'.

And it's not just tolerance, is called charity. And I am not saying that in this case it should have been here, but I mean in any other sort of scenario between the two parties.

And I never thought we'd enforce the mentality an "eye for an eye" or something close to that. I remember Jesus saying something quite different.

[Hassan]

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='CatherineM' date='24 July 2010 - 09:15 AM' timestamp='1279919701' post='2147109']
The UCC church two doors down from where I live just closed after 98 years. With the present change in demographics of this neighborhood, it is a real possibility that it might be converted to a mosque. It will be interesting to see how the neighborhood will react, and frankly, how I will react, if that happens.
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That's an entirely different story. A Church should never be replaced by a mosque or any building for that matter. It would be like going onto wikipedia and replacing an accurate entry with an entry that was not as accurate. I would expect that Muslims would agree on a reciprocal view.
One of the churches in our town was converted into a Fish and Chip shop when it fell into disuse. I think I would rather it had been dismantled and rebuilt somewhere else.

[quote name='Winchester' date='25 July 2010 - 01:59 AM' timestamp='1279979946' post='2147395']
You don't think bigotry is part of Christianity?

Do you not hold strongly and obstinately to the Christian faith?
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rM chinWester may have us snookered here!

Edited July 26, 2010 by Mark of the Cross

[Socrates]

[quote name='ThePenciledOne' date='26 July 2010 - 03:55 PM' timestamp='1280174136' post='2148341']
Once does not imply we give into all their 'demands'.

And it's not just tolerance, is called charity. And I am not saying that in this case it should have been here, but I mean in any other sort of scenario between the two parties.

And I never thought we'd enforce the mentality an "eye for an eye" or something close to that. I remember Jesus saying something quite different.
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Christian charity does demand Catholics we give support to false religions.

Think of it this way. If a Muslim was starving and needed food, or money for food, charity would oblige us to give it to him. However, if he wanted money to support the building of a mosque, we would not be obligated to give it to him.

Charity does not demand either that we sell church buildings to be used as mosques.

Neither does it require that we let a mosque be built at Ground Zero, if that's what you're getting at.

And Jesus said absolutely nothing about Christians being obligated to support false religions opposed to the Faith.
It's sad that relativism/indifferentism has so infected the thinking of many Catholics that they can't understand this.

[Totus Tuus]

No and No.

And Yay!!

[StMichael]

No Catholic building should ever be sold directly from a diocese to any satanic cult, especially one that has been killing Catholics for 1,000's of years.

What was this priest thinking by silently signing off on this? The NY Archdiocese needs to better manage itself and ensure that everything done is done in the best interest of the faith, not the bottom line.

As for the satanists crying phobia, can I attend a Catholic mass in Saudia Arabia? Will I be enslaved by muslims if I was in Pakistan? They have no right to say a word, if they want to worship Satan, they can just go to Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Saudia Arabia.

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[Polaris]

[quote name='StMichael' date='29 July 2010 - 10:57 AM' timestamp='1280419070' post='2149475']
No Catholic building should ever be sold directly from a diocese to any satanic cult, especially one that has been killing Catholics for 1,000's of years.

What was this priest thinking by silently signing off on this? The NY Archdiocese needs to better manage itself and ensure that everything done is done in the best interest of the faith, not the bottom line.

As for the satanists crying phobia, can I attend a Catholic mass in Saudia Arabia? Will I be enslaved by muslims if I was in Pakistan? They have no right to say a word, if they want to worship Satan, they can just go to Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Saudia Arabia.


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you're definitely not "islamophobic". such a thing hardly exists in america as seen by all the opportunities and freedoms muslims in america have here...even the freedom to teach hate for america (such as in dearborn) and the freedom to build an islamic shrine on the site of the worst foreign attack ever on american soil which is now a graveyard for the hundreds of dead whose remains could never be recovered and given proper burial.

as for the priest i think even good people become weak and make bad decisions when they feel desperate. economically speaking, these are desperate times for a lot of people.

Edited July 30, 2010 by Polaris

[Polaris]

[quote name='Socrates' date='28 July 2010 - 12:53 PM' timestamp='1280339628' post='2149126']

Christian charity does not demand Catholics we give support to false religions.

Charity does not demand either that we sell church buildings to be used as mosques.

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charity also doesn't demand that we commit cultural suicide or allow our blood to be spilled just so we can "prove" what good catholics we are.

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='Polaris' date='31 July 2010 - 04:31 AM' timestamp='1280507512' post='2149896']
charity also doesn't demand that we commit cultural suicide or allow our blood to be spilled just so we can "prove" what good catholics we are.
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Who suggested that we let our blood be spilled. I think we universally agree that Christians have a right to resort to lethal means in the defence of ourselves the upholding of our laws and our faith and the protection of the innocent. [u]When an attack is made on those things![/u] We are currently doing that in Afghanistan.

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='Polaris' date='31 July 2010 - 04:28 AM' timestamp='1280507328' post='2149894']
you're definitely not "islamophobic". such a thing hardly exists in america as seen by all the opportunities and freedoms muslims in america have here...even the freedom to teach hate for america (such as in dearborn) and the freedom to build an islamic shrine on the site of the worst foreign attack ever on american soil which is now a graveyard for the hundreds of dead whose remains could never be recovered and given proper burial.

as for the priest i think even good people become weak and make bad decisions when they feel desperate. economically speaking, these are desperate times for a lot of people.
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I don't consider the priests that gain sexual gratification with innocent children to be representatives of the Christian faith or as priests of the Catholic Church. They serve the forces of evil. In my mind they are excommunicated, even if the Church has not done so. I don't consider the people who attacked America (9/11) and Oz (Bali) as being representative of the Islamic religion. Muslims died in the WTC and it is as you say proudly American to allow them to build a mosque and a challenge to them to do like wise for us. I'm proud of the US and my own country for these Christian attributes.

[Hassan]

[quote name='Polaris' date='30 July 2010 - 12:31 PM' timestamp='1280507512' post='2149896']
charity also doesn't demand that we commit cultural suicide or allow our blood to be spilled just so we can "prove" what good catholics we are.
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To your first point, allowing someone to build a place a worship in a society predicated on the inherent right of the individual in matters of freedom of conscience and religious belief is not comitting cultureal suicide. Now Socrates mentioned perfectly legitimate reasons why Catholics may wish to not sell property to a religious group. That reason has nothing to do with culture, but religious faith. To your second point, I think the early Christians who chose to be thrown to the lions as proof of their fidelity to Christ over the Roman government would beg to differ.

[Hassan]

[quote name='StMichael' date='29 July 2010 - 11:57 AM' timestamp='1280419070' post='2149475']
No Catholic building should ever be sold directly from a diocese to any satanic cult, especially one that has been killing Catholics for 1,000's of years.

What was this priest thinking by silently signing off on this? The NY Archdiocese needs to better manage itself and ensure that everything done is done in the best interest of the faith, not the bottom line.

As for the satanists crying phobia, can I attend a Catholic mass in Saudia Arabia? Will I be enslaved by muslims if I was in Pakistan? They have no right to say a word, if they want to worship Satan, they can just go to Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Saudia Arabia.
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You need to go take a long walk.

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='Hassan' date='31 July 2010 - 11:30 AM' timestamp='1280532632' post='2150049']
You need to go take a long walk.
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Good recommendation doctor Hassan! Exercise promotes the production of serotonin which makes you feel good and relieves all that anger, frustration and inner tension. I also think about Jesus and his words of wisdom and pretty soon my brain is marinating in the stuff.

Edited July 30, 2010 by Mark of the Cross

[StMichael]

Once again we all forget that Christ himself stepped on the head of the serpent. We must never forget that we are not simply sheep to be slaughtered.

Islam killed friends of mine, maybe a face will help, maybe I can post one here everyday of every single person I knew who perished at the hands of Islam on 9/11. Apparently words mean nothing for you "intellectuals."

Http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial/people/3112.html

Back story on her, she was working at another company and her and the owner fell in love, she decided it was best that not to make the work environment difficult for her co-workers and her fiance that she took another job which put her in the WTC. She was there all of a month. Her wedding was to happen Spring of 2002. She died at the age of 23.

Feel free to walk on this.

[quote name='Mark of the Cross' date='30 July 2010 - 07:40 PM' timestamp='1280533209' post='2150051']
Good recommendation doctor Hassan! Exercise promotes the production of serotonin which makes you feel good and relieves all that anger, frustration and inner tension. I also think about Jesus and his words of wisdom and pretty soon my brain is marinating in the stuff.
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