Noahites?

[daugher-of-Mary]

I have a friend who recently left Catholicism for the Noahites. Apparently they are a branch on Judaism, but I need some more information. He said the main reason he left Christianity is that Jesus did not fulfill the Jewish prophecies. For example, the Jews expected the Messiah to unite all nations into one nation. He was telling me all this at 2 am, so I'm not entirely sure I understood him correctly. Any help in answering him would be greatly appreciated.

[Cure of Ars]

This might help.

[url="http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ98.HTM#XIII.%20FIFTY%20O.T.%20MESSIANIC%20PROPHECIES%20FULFILLED%20BY"]FIFTY O.T. MESSIANIC PROPHECIES FULFILLED BY JESUS [/url]

God bless

[phatcatholic]

[url="http://www.hamayim.com/default.asp"][b]this site[/b][/url] should answer all of your questions about this religion.

from that site i found a very helpful Q&A, which i will paste here along w/ a link:

[url="http://www.hamayim.com/article.asp?aid=27&cid=20"][b]What is Bnei Noach?[/b][/url]
[i]by Dr. James D. Tabor[/i]

--[b]Briefly, just what is B'nai Noah?[/b]

Most simply put, B'nai Noah, or "children of Noah," is the Talmudic way of referring to all humankind. According to the Bible we are all descendants of one man, namely Noah, after the Flood, and are thus "Children of Noah" (Genesis 10).

--[b]You say this concept is in the Talmud. Is it also in the Bible?[/b]

Yes, but not by that name. Ask yourself, what was the Faith of Enoch, Noah, Shem, Job, Jethro, and all those, who for thousands of years lived before Sinai? Remember, at that point there were no Jews, there was no people of Israel. Obviously they had beliefs, standards, and commandments to follow. They enjoyed a full and rich relationship to the One Creator God. The Talmud discusses the details of this Faith, found at various points in the book of Genesis.

--[b]Fine, we are all "children of Noah," but what is the point of this description? Is this a religious Faith one can believe and follow?[/b]

Not in itself, there is more. Connected to the idea of being a descendant of Noah are the Noahide Laws which express the basic outlines of a full and dynamic relationship with God.

One of the most accurate descriptions is from the Encyclopedia Britannica under the article "Noahide Laws." I quote:

. . . a Jewish Talmudic designation for seven biblical laws given to Adam and to Noah before the revelation to Moses on Mt. Sinai and consequently binding on all mankind" (The New Encyclopedia Britannica: Micropodia, 15th ed, vol 8, p. 737).

You can see from this definition that a faithful "child of Noah," or a Noahite, would be one who believes and practices the Way summed up in the Seven Noahide Laws, which are the basis of the Noahide Covenant which God made with all humankind.

--[b]So, are Jews also considered Noahites? After all, they too are descendants of Noah?[/b]

No, this is properly a category for Gentiles (non-Jews) only. The Noahide Laws were revealed long before Abraham. The people of Israel, whom we know today as Jews, are descendants of Abraham through Isaac and Jacob. They have their own unique and special covenant and mission to the world as expressed in the Torah revealed to Moses at Sinai. Israel is to be separate from "the nations" (Numbers 23:9; Exodus 19:5?6).

--[b]What are those seven Noahide Laws?[/b]

They are prohibitions against idolatry, blasphemy, murder, sexual sins, robbery, and the eating of flesh cut from a living animal, plus the positive command to establish courts of justice.

--[b]This seems almost too simple? It sounds like basic universal ethics. Can you actually derive a religious Faith from these?[/b]

They are quite basic, but you have to understand that these Seven Laws represent beginning principles, or overall categories and headings, for an entire Faith and Way of life based on the Torah as it applies to Gentiles. For example, the prohibition against idolatry would include the whole understanding of the One God of Israel, His nature, and all that constitutes idolatry, including prohibitions against the Occult, and so forth. The prohibition against the "limb of a living animal" has to do with the principle of the kind treatment of animals. The prohibition against sexual sins would include the whole Torah understanding of human sexuality. The Talmudic rabbis expand these in various ways. Believe it or not, this approach to God can involve one in a lifetime of study and active living, a full "Torah faith," appropriate for Gentiles. The Torah begins with Genesis. It is a revelation for all humankind, not just for Jews. Israel is to function as the priestly people, bringing this Torah faith to all nations.

--[b]All but one of these laws is a prohibition. Why does the Noahide code represent such a negative approach to Faith in God?[/b]

This is a misunderstanding of Torah faith in general. Remember, eight of the Ten Commandments are negative. For example, to state that one is not to commit adultery is not to be negative, but to stress the central and most damaging threat to human sexual fulfillment. In that sense it is protective, and actually positive. Think about the so-called "negative" Golden Rule of Rabbi Hillel: "Don't do to others, what you would find harmful to yourself." Is this really negative? Not if you think about it. It includes the positive, in that one of the things you would find hateful to yourself would be for someone to neglect positive treatment toward you! Of the total 613 commandments (mitzvot) of the Torah given to Israel, 365 are negative, while 248 are positive. But, if you study them you will find that the negative balance and fill out the positive.

--[b]You say the Noahide concept involves a whole Way of life. Can you explain this more? Following these laws, even if they are expanded into whole categories, does not sound like enough to satisfy the spiritual needs of people? What about prayers, worship, holydays, customs and traditions? Do the Noahites have these?[/b]

Definitely yes. Noahites are involved, in co-operation with leading rabbis in Israel and the United States in developing prayers, ceremonies, and rituals which are appropriate to them as Gentiles who have attached themselves to the One God of Israel. They are not seeking to begin a new religion. This is forbidden in the Torah. But neither are they seeking to simply "imitate" the Jewish practices. This would only confuse matters further. Most Noahites have turned away from some of the standard holy days of the West, such as Christmas and Easter, with their pagan associations. There is much in the Sacred Calendar of Judaism that is applicable to all humankind. The Sabbath day is first mentioned in Genesis 2, where it is sanctified as a day of rest, a memorial of the creation for humankind. Israel's Sabbath observance, according to later halacha is another matter. Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, is certainly a day when all human beings, Jew or Gentile, can assemble in a spirit of repentance and reconciliation. Indeed, all the festivals of Israel can be remembered and honored in ways appropriate for Gentiles, but in solidarity with the Jewish people. The Noahites, with orthodox rabbinic input, are developing marriage ceremonies, prayers, and holy day rituals which are appropriate for all humankind.

Frankly, what is happening in our day is somewhat new. We are in a new situation, one which we hope, through the grace of HaShem, will lead to Messianic times. In other words, much of this is right now being worked out in many nations in co-operation between Jewish Torah scholars and committed Gentile Noahites. This is in the spirit of Isaiah 2 and 11, which tells of the nations coming to Jerusalem to learn the "Way of HaShem," leading to Messianic times when the earth is filled with the knowledge of HaShem as the waters cover the sea (see Zech 14:9). Obviously the whole world is not to literally become Jewish. But all nations can be taught of God and learn the Way of God for this planet. The Noahide concept is a beginning of that great goal.

--[b]So, does that mean that this Noahide movement is actually rather new? Is it even, perhaps, what we might call a cult or sect? [/b]

No, it is quite old! After all, recall, this is the Faith of Abel, Enoch, Noah, Job, and even Abraham (before his circumcision). You could not find a religious Faith on this planet with older roots than the Noahide one! You would hardly call the religion of these Patriarchs a "cult." It is the very foundation of Western ethical and moral values.

Also, from an historical point of view, the early Gentile participants in the movement that arose around Jesus the Nazarene were actually participating in a version of the B'nai Noah concept. In other words, early Gentile "Christianity," might be more accurately classified as a messianic B'nai Noah movement, despite the later heretical developments within Christianity which made Jesus a second deity. B'nai Noah when properly understood instructs Gentiles to turn directly to the One God as He is revealed in the pages of the Scriptures. This is clearly reflected in Acts 15 and Paul's instructions to his Gentile converts in letters like 1 Corinthians (see chapters 5-10) and 1 Thessalonians. He instructs the Gentile believers in Jesus as Messiah in the seven Noahide Laws. These were made binding on the Gentile converts by none other than Jacob (James), brother of Jesus, and leader of the Nazarene Sect. They were among the "Godfearers" who attended Jewish synagogues to learn Torah as it applied to them. There was nothing for the first 50 years of the movement that resembled what we call "Christianity," as a separate Hellenistic religion distinct from Judaism. The movement was thoroughly Jewish, but with Gentiles invited to participate on the basis of the Noahide concept without conversion to Judaism.

--[b]What is the attitude then, of the current B'nai Noah movement toward Christianity?[/b]

The B'nai Noah movement is definitely not Christian. It is larger than all world religions. Remember, it is the Faith for all "children of Noah," that is, all humankind. We would want to see it spread among Moslems, Buddhists, Hindus, and so forth, as well as among Christians. One basic call is to turn from "idols." Most world religions are given over to idolatry of various forms. Noahites, in the light of the revelation of the Torah, encourage all who will hear to forsake these practices.

For example, no faithful Noahite would worship and equate Jesus with HaShem, the One God of Israel; reject the Torah as God's eternal revelation; or scorn the people of Israel. Within our movement we do have those of various backgrounds and beliefs. We have various levels. What we have in common is our love of God, Torah, and Israel. And as we study together we find that we are being drawn ever closer. Everyone is accepted in light of their desire to learn. True perfection is open to all humanity. As the Scriptures declare, "Abraham listened to my voice and he kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes and my laws" (Genesis 26:5). This refers to Abraham's belief in the one God, his willingness to teach others about God, to disseminate knowledge about how to worship Him, to disprove idolatry, also to go in the ways of God, to be kind, compassionate, to do justice and righteousness and to cause others to do so and to keep the seven laws of Noah. Perfection is the aim of all the laws.

--[b]This all sounds interesting, but still a little obscure. Why have I never heard of this Noahide concept if it is so important?[/b]

You will be surprised to learn that on March 20, 1990 President George Bush signed into United States law an historic Joint Resolution of both Houses of Congress recognizing the Seven Noahide Laws as the "bedrock of society from the dawn of civilization" and urged our country to "return the world to the moral and ethical values contained in the Seven Noahide Laws" (H.J. Res. 104, Public Law 102?4). So, you see, these things are not being done in a corner.

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i hope this helps........pax christi,
phatcatholic

[phatcatholic]

this of course would be helpful in your apologetic efforts w/ this person:

[u][b]I. General Prophecies Concerning the Coming of Jesus[/b][/u]
[b]Gen. 49:10; Mic. 5:2[/b] - a kingdom and ruler of Israel shall come from Judah
[b]Mattt. 1:1-2, Luke 3:23,33[/b] - Jesus is from the line of Judah.

[b]Deut. 18:18 [/b]- He will be raised up as a prophet
[b]Matt. 21:11, Luke 7:16; John 6:14; 7:40 [/b]- Jesus is identified as this prophet.

[b]Psalm 2:6[/b] - He will be a King
[b]Matt. 21:5; John 18:36-37 [/b]- Jesus is this King.

[b]Psalm 2:7[/b] - you are my Son, today I have begotten you
[b]Matt. 3:17; Acts 13:33 [/b]- God the Father said this about Jesus the Son.

[b]Psalm 69:4; Isaiah 49:7[/b] - He will be hated without a cause
[b]John 15:25 [/b]- Jesus was hated without a cause.

[b]Psalm 69:9[/b] - zeal for thy house has consumed me
[b]John 2:16-17 [/b]- zeal consumed Jesus as He drove out the traders.

[b]Psalm 78:2[/b] - He will speak in parables
[b]Matt. 13:34-35 [/b]- Jesus spoke in parables.

[b]Psalm 110:1; Jer. 23:6[/b] - He will be called Lord
[b]Matt. 22:43-45; Luke 2:11; Heb. 1:10 [/b]- Jesus is called Lord by the Lord.

[b]Psalm 118:22; Isaiah 8:14; 28:16 [/b]- He will be the stone rejected by the builders
[b]Acts 4:10-11; Rom. 9:32-33; 1 Peter 2:7-8[/b] - Jesus is the stone rejected by the builders.

[b]Psalm 118:26; Hag.2:7-9; Mal. 3:1[/b] - He will come to the Temple
[b]Matt. 21:12; John 2:13-17[/b] - Jesus so came to the Temple.

[b]Psalm 132:11; Jer. 23:5[/b] - He, the king, shall come from the House of David
[b]Matt. 1:1; Luke 3:23,31 [/b]- Jesus is the son of David.

[b]Isaiah 6:9-10 [/b]- they hear but do not understand and see but do not perceive
[b]Matt. 13:14-15; John 12:38-41 [/b]- this is why Jesus used parables.

[b]Isaiah 7:14 [/b]- He will be born of a young virgin woman
[b]Matt. 1:18, 24-25; Luke 1:26-35 [/b]- Jesus was born of the young virgin Mary.

[b]Isaiah 9:1[/b] - His ministry will make Galilee glorious
[b]Matt 4:12-17 [/b]- Jesus begins His ministry in Galilee.

[b]Isaiah 9:6[/b] - a woman shall bear a son called Emmanuel ("God is with us")
[b]Luke 1:35 [/b]- Jesus is this one, the Son of God.

[b]Isaiah 11:2[/b] - the Spirit of the Lord shall rest upon Him
[b]Matt. 3:16-17 [/b]- the Spirit of God descended upon Jesus like a dove.

[b]Isaiah 32:3-4; 35:5-6[/b]- His ministry will include miracles curing the blind, deaf, lame and dumb
[b]Matt. 9:32-35 [/b]- Jesus so cured the blind, deaf, lame and dumb.

[b]Isaiah 33:22 [/b]- He will be a judge
[b]John 5:30 [/b]- Jesus is the judge who judges justly.

[b]Isaiah 40:3; Mal. 3:1[/b] - He will be preceded by a messenger
[b]Mat. 3:1-3; 11:10; Luke 1:17; John 1:23 [/b]- Jesus was so preceded (by Saint John the Baptist).

[b]Isaiah 53:3[/b] - He will be rejected by His people
[b]John 1:11; 7:5[/b] - Jesus was rejected by His own people.

[b]Isaiah 61:1-2 [/b]- the Spirit of the Lord is upon Him
[b]Luke 4:21 [/b]- Jesus says that He has fulfilled this prophecy.

[b]Zech. 9:9[/b] - He will triumphantly enter Jerusalem on an ass
[b]Matt. 21:5; Luke 19:35-38; John 12:14-17 [/b]- Jesus so entered Jerusalem.

[b]Mic. 5:2 [/b]- Israel's ruler shall come from Bethlehem
[b]Matt. 2:1,4-8; Luke 2:4-7[/b] - Jesus was born in Bethlehem.



[u][b]II. Prophecies Fulfilled by Jesus in His Passion, Death, Resurrection and Ascension[/b][/u]
[b]Psalm 16:10; 30:3[/b] - He will not be spared from death and yet remain incorrupt
[b]Acts 2:31; 13:33,35 [/b]- Jesus conquered death and remained incorrupt.

[b]Psalm 22:1[/b] - My God, my God, why has thou forsaken me?
[b]Matt. 27:46; Mark 15:34 [/b]- Jesus utters this rabbinical formula from the cross declaring that He is the Messiah.

[b]Psalm 22:7[/b] - the people will wag their heads at Him
[b]Matt. 27:39; Mark 15:29 [/b]- the people wagged their heads at Jesus on the cross.

[b]Psalm 22:7[/b] - He will be mocked
[b]Matt. 27:31; Mark 15:20; Luke 22:63; 23:36 [/b]- Jesus was mocked.

[b]Psalm 22:16; Isa. 53:12 [/b]- He will be numbered with the transgressors
[b]Matt. 27:38; Mark 15:27; Luke 23:32; John 19:18 [/b]- Jesus was numbered with the transgressors by being crucified between two thieves.

[b]Psalm 22:16; Zech 12:10 [/b]- His hands and feet will be pierced and they will weep for the first-born
[b]John 19:23,34,37 [/b]- Jesus' hands and feet were pierced and his followers wept for Him, the true first-born Son of Israel.

[b]Psalm 22:17 [/b]- they will stare and gloat over Him
[b]Matt. 27:36; Luke 23:35 [/b]- the people stood by and stared at Jesus on the cross.

[b]Psalm 22:18 [/b]- they will divide His garments among them
[b]Matt. 27:35; Mark 15:24; Luke 23:34; John 19:23 [/b]- they divided Jesus' garments among them.

[b]Psalm 22:18[/b] - they will cast lots for His garments
[b]Matt. 27:35; Mark 15:24; Luke 23:34; John 19:24 [/b]- they cast lots for Jesus' garments.

[b]Psalm 30:3; 41:10, 118:17; Hos 6:2 [/b]- He will be raised to life on the third day
[b]Acts 13:33, Matt. 28:6; Mark 16:6; Luke 24:34,46 [/b]- Jesus was raised to life on the third day.

[b]Psalm 34:20 [/b]- He will not have broken bones
[b]John 19:33,36 [/b]- none of Jesus' bones were broken.

[b]Psalm 41:9; 55:12-14 [/b]- He will be betrayed by a friend
[b]Matt. 10:4; 26:20-25; Mark 14:18-21; John 13:18 [/b]- Jesus was betrayed by a friend.

[b]Psalm 68:18 [/b]- He will ascend into heaven
[b]Mark 16:19; Luke 24:51; John 20:17; Acts 1:9[/b] - Jesus ascended into heaven.

[b]Psalm 68:20 [/b]- He will escape the powers of death
[b]Acts 2:31; 13:33; Matt 28:6; Mark 16:6, Luke 24:46; John 20:9-10 [/b]- Jesus escaped the powers of death through his resurrection.

[b]Psalm 69:21 [/b]- they will give Him vinegar to drink
[b]Matt. 27:34,48; Mark 15:23,36; Luke 23:36; John 19:29 [/b]- they gave Jesus vinegar to drink.

[b]Psalm 110:1[/b] - He will sit at the right hand of God
[b]Heb. 1:3; Acts 2:34-35 [/b]- Jesus sits at the right hand of God.

[b]Isaiah 50:6[/b] - He will be spat upon
[b]Matt. 26:67; Mark 15:19 [/b]- Jesus was spat upon.

[b]Isaiah 50:6; Mic. 5:1[/b] - the ruler of Israel's cheek will be struck
[b]Matt. 26:67; Luke 22:63; John 18:22 [/b]- Jesus was so struck and beaten.

[b]Isaiah 53:5; Zech. 13:6[/b] - He was wounded, bruised and scourged for us
[b]Matt. 27:26; Mark 15:15; John 19:1[/b] - Jesus was wounded, bruised and scourged for us.

[b]Isaiah 53:7[/b] - He will remain silent before His accusers
[b]Matt. 27:12,14; Mark 14:61;15:5; Luke 23:9; John 19:9[/b] - Jesus remained silent before His accusers.

[b]Isaiah 53:8-10; Dan. 9:26 [/b]- the anointed one shall be cut off and die
[b]Luke 23:46; 24:7; John 19:30 [/b]- Jesus the Messiah died.

[b]Isaiah 53:9[/b] - He will be buried in a rich man's tomb
[b]Matt. 27:57-60; Mark 15:42-46; Luke 23:50-53; John 19:38-42 [/b]- Jesus was buried in a rich man's tomb (the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea).

[b]Isaiah 53:12 [/b]- He will make intercession for the transgressors
[b]Luke 23:34,43 [/b]- Jesus made intercession for the transgressors on the cross.

[b]Amos 8:9[/b] - God will darken the earth at noon
[b]Matt. 27:45; Mark 15:33; Luke 23:44-45 [/b]- there was darkness at noon at Jesus' crucifixion and death.

[b]Jonah 1:17 [/b]- three nights and days in the belly of the whale foreshadows Jesus' death and rising on the third day.

[b]Mic. 1:8[/b] - He will lament and wail, and will go stripped and naked
[b]John 19:23-24 [/b]- Jesus lamented and was stripped and naked.

[b]Zech. 11:12-13 [/b]- He will be betrayed for 30 pieces of silver
[b]Matt. 26:15 [/b]- Jesus was betrayed for 30 pieces of silver.

[b]Zech. 11:13 [/b]- the pieces of silver are cast into God's house
[b]Matt. 27:5[/b] - Judas threw the pieces of silver into the Temple.

[b]Zech. 12:10 [/b]- His side will be pierced
[b]John 19:34, 37 [/b]- Jesus' side was pierced.

[b]Zech. 13:7[/b] - He will be forsaken by His disciples who will scatter
[b]Matt. 26:31, Mark. 14:50 [/b]- Jesus' disciples forsook Him and scattered.


[i]from [url="http://www.scripturecatholic.com/messianic_prophecies.html"]Scripture Catholic[/url][/i]

[daugher-of-Mary]

Thank you!!! Those answers were just what I was looking for.

[phatcatholic]

i am your humble servent........

[ilovechrist]

lol

if you're our servant...


nvm i'll think of something

[daugher-of-Mary]

lol. That's what I was thinking, ilovechrist. We might make phatCatholic rue the day he said those fatal words.

Nah, thanks again for all your help!

[phatcatholic]

bbaaaaaaaaa.........

[bob smith]

The Noahide Laws are a set of 7 laws which will see Christians beheaded for blasphemy; this includes professing Jesus Christ as Saviour or as God. Here is a good source of info that has been pulled together:

"In Rome, on January 17, 2002, in the Lecture hall of the Major Roman Pontifical Seminary, a meeting was organized by the Diocese of Rome, part of the Day of Jewish-Christian dialogue. Present on the Catholic side were Cardinal Jorge Maria Mejia and Msgr. Rino Fisichella, and on the Jewish side, Rabbi Riccardo Di Segni, who replaced Rabbi Elio Toaff as Chief Rabbi of Rome...
"Rabbi Di Segni...explains [the seven precepts that all noachides must respect]:
"These rules are: interdiction of all worship except monotheism, interdiction on blasphemy, the obligation to form tribunals, the interdiction on homicide, theft, adultery, and incest, and the interdiction on eating food torn from living animals.
"...The Rabbi's attention is completely fixed on the first precept, that of monotheism: 'As to the monotheist cult, apparently, it poses no doubt for the major religions.' Aren't Judaism, Christianity and Islam defined, in post-conciliar language that has become colloquial today, as 'the three major monotheist religions? In fact, Di Segni sees no difficulty in defining Muslims as strict and even circumcised monotheists. But, as to Christians, he has some doubts....
christians: monotheists or idolators?
"This is where Di Segni---who is the author of the re-publication of the Toledoths Jehsu, under the new title, Il Vangelo del Ghetto [The Gospel of the Ghetto], with the Toledoths Jehsu being the most inflammatory Jewish legends against Jesus (1)---'speaks clearly' to the prelates who heard him:
"At the point we have now reached, it is necessary to make a clarification on Jewish theology, which, on the subject of monotheism and how it is lived by Christianity, gives rise to a debate that is essentially a dilemma. The point in question is in view of establishing whether Jesus' divinity can be compatible, for a non-Jew (because for a Jew it is absolutely not) with the monotheistic concept.
"In other words: The Jew who would become a Christian, thus then believing in the divinity of Jesus, would cease to be a monotheist in order to become an idolater. Must one say the same thing of a non-Jew? Is believing in Jesus' divinity a sin of idolatry, a violation of the first precept of the Noachide law? Rabbi Di Segni advises:
"'As to be expected, in Jewish theology, the answer to this question is not unanimous: some firmly deny it, others place certain conditions on it. The consequence is that, according to the literal opinion, the Christian would not be on the path of salvation' since he is guilty of idolatry...
"Di Segni concludes: 'If one must literally apply the Noachide system of laws, it [the punishment of death] would be applied to all, so that the Noachides might observe it. Likewise, the punishment of death would apply to what treats forbidding the worship of strange gods,' in view of monotheism." - 559

Source: "The Noachides and Rome's Chief Rabbi, Riccardo Di Segni," Father Francesco Ricossa, Sodalitium, French Edition, No. 53, July, 2002, translated by Suzanne M. Rini, Trans Et Alia, Vol. 3, No. 3, Sept. 2002.
Sanhedrin Launched In Tiberias
Arutz Sheva IsraelNationalNews.com
October 14, 2004

Now check these out:

[b]Talmud, Noahide Laws, Decapitation and NWO[/b]
What relationship might US importation of guillotines have with the Talmud, Noahide Laws, and their prescribed decapitation for transgressors? Funny you should ask... check out: [url="http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/talmud_nwo.htm"]http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/talmud_nwo.htm[/url]
(the article's good, just ignore the site's wierd elements)

[b]North American Prison Camps[/b]
Check out these links to prison camps all over North America:
[url="http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/con_camps.htm"]http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/con_camps.htm[/url]
There are over 800 of these camps in North America, some of them secretly refurbished old military bases. Check out how guillotines are being imported into the US. Is this a new form of "more humane" capital punishment masquerading as a massive free organ retrieval system?

[b]More Detention Camps[/b]
An interesting extensive blog entry on detention camps in the US (see Simba 111's entry): [url="http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread23006/pg3"]http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread23006/pg3[/url]

[b]Planned American Holocaust?[/b]
Another Interesting Link (I haven't read thru this one [there may be some out-there stuff, but some of what it says seems to correspond with what I'm finding out about this issue -worth checking out:
[url="http://www.americanholocaust.net/"]http://www.americanholocaust.net/[/url]

Make no mistake! The Noahide Laws are setting the stage for a horrible tyranny in North America and the reign of the Antichrist.

[Era Might]

LOL

[phatcatholic]

eek