qfnol31 Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 (edited) Do you think the external intention of passionate kissing (forget your personal intention for a moment) is for the arousal of either the male or female? Edited December 1, 2004 by qfnol31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Male, I would guess. Women seek love in the form of affection and sweet deeds, men prefer it in the form of being entrusted with the most tangible, vulnerable thing a woman can give, her body. That's not to say that women don't enjoy it or seek it out to some extent, but I think it is something that men want more than women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duc_In_Altum Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Man or woman- either way, it's sole purpose is for arousal. It's for husband and wife only. Passionate kissing is poison for a dating relationship and just opens the door for disrespect and a breakdown of chastity. No justification can change that truth. No amount of rationalization can change God's plan for the temple of the body. No extent of social rule can change immodesty into virtue. God bless, -Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazor Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Passion,That means a deep love for someone. If I am kissing someone passionatley it is because I love them deeply, I can not separate myself from that.... after all a kiss that is soley for arousal can hardly be called passionate, when there is no love there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazor Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Also a passionate kiss does not have to be a tongue-down the throat, makeout session. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='Balthazor' date='Dec 1 2004, 03:09 AM'] Passion,That means a deep love for someone. [/quote] Actually, it means suffering... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazor Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 that too.... pas·sion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pshn) n. A powerful emotion, such as love, joy, hatred, or anger. Ardent love. Strong sexual desire; lust. The object of such love or desire. Boundless enthusiasm: His skills as a player don't quite match his passion for the game. The object of such enthusiasm: Soccer is her passion. An abandoned display of emotion, especially of anger: He's been known to fly into a passion without warning. Passion The sufferings of Jesus in the period following the Last Supper and including the Crucifixion, as related in the New Testament. A narrative, musical setting, or pictorial representation of Jesus's sufferings. Archaic. Martyrdom. Archaic. Passivity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted December 1, 2004 Author Share Posted December 1, 2004 (edited) Well, according to St. Thomas, if the object of the interior act of the will does not correspond to the object of the exterior act of the will, then it's an evil action. In simpler terms, if you aren't doing the action for its intended purpose, you're committing a sin (now you may or not be culpable, responsible). I would then argue that if passionate kissing isn't used for the purposes of arousal, which is what it's intended for, it's an evil act, no matter what the circumstances (again, a Thomistic argument). Edited December 1, 2004 by qfnol31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazor Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Who thinks of this when they are kissing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted December 1, 2004 Author Share Posted December 1, 2004 That's my point. No one does any more. But just because you're intending something doesn't make the act good or evil (this is a Proportionalist argument). As long as you intend to do the act (that is, you do the act on purpose), no matter what your intentions (what you want from the act), as long as you're not doing the act for the reason that it's meant for, you're sinning (at least you're committing a sinful act). An example is if you donate money. Maybe you want to donate money for a bad reason, but the external act is still good. You've committed a sinful act because you're not using the act for what it is intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='Raphael' date='Dec 1 2004, 03:18 AM'] Male, I would guess. Women seek love in the form of affection and sweet deeds, men prefer it in the form of being entrusted with the most tangible, vulnerable thing a woman can give, her body. That's not to say that women don't enjoy it or seek it out to some extent, but I think it is something that men want more than women. [/quote] Yes to your first point, no to your second. A woman needs to more time to become aroused, passionate kidding is a good step in the right direction : foreplay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Dec 1 2004, 03:39 AM'] Well, according to St. Thomas, if the object of the interior act of the will does not correspond to the object of the exterior act of the will, then it's an evil action. [/quote] INTERRUPTION: I wonder how that would fit into the NFP debate? Stop interruption, return to regularly scheduled topic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franciscanheart Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Dec 1 2004, 02:39 AM'] Well, according to St. Thomas, if the object of the interior act of the will does not correspond to the object of the exterior act of the will, then it's an evil action. In simpler terms, if you aren't doing the action for its intended purpose, you're committing a sin (now you may or not be culpable, responsible). I would then argue that if passionate kissing isn't used for the purposes of arousal, which is what it's intended for, it's an evil act, no matter what the circumstances (again, a Thomistic argument). [/quote] wise man that Thomas Aquinas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Dec 1 2004, 03:16 AM'] Do you think the external intention of passionate kissing (forget your personal intention for a moment) is for the arousal of either the male or female? [/quote] Both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='Carrie' date='Dec 1 2004, 09:43 AM'] Both [/quote] Yeah ... it's a fallacy to think that women don't get turned on by kissing. ahem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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