Should women wear

[Tony]

if she feels its a way to honor God then I say go for it.



I do not see this very often.. but it reallly bugs me when I see a guy with a hat or something on... seen 1 guy with a bandana.. argh

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='spathariossa' date='Dec 8 2004, 02:18 AM'] Depends on the church. Though technically they should probably be enforcing it. [/quote]
Again, very true.

[Ash Wednesday]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Dec 8 2004, 01:16 AM'] My wife had the same opinion.  But she quickly realized that if we believe that both are equally valid (meaning that Christ is truely present at both so long as all the conditions are met) then why not wear a veil at both?  We attend the Novus Ordo only on veryt rare occassions now, but when we do she wears a veil just as she does otherwise.  Why not wear one is the question. [/quote]
There is no reason why one shouldn't -- though the reason why most women don't is probably because we are afraid of sticking out and it's something we aren't used to doing. It's the same thing with people that want to kneel when they receive communion, or kneeling at the consecration.

I really dislike not kneeling at the consecration and we have announcements in our local bulletin explaining why one shouldn't kneel when everyone else is standing. We're suddenly conditioned that if we aren't doing what the rest of the community is doing, then we are in the wrong.

I think a lot of why this all is, is because of enforcement.

I wouldn't have a problem with more concrete and universal standards worldwide enforced in the mass. It gets pretty tiresome for people coming and going and different parishes doing different things.

[spathariossa]

[quote name='Ash Wednesday' date='Dec 8 2004, 01:33 AM'] There is no reason why one shouldn't -- though the reason why most women don't is probably because we are afraid of sticking out and it's something we aren't used to doing. It's the same thing with people that want to kneel when they receive communion, or kneeling at the consecration.

I really dislike not kneeling at the consecration but then we have announcements in the bulletin explaining why one shouldn't kneel when everyone else is standing. We're suddenly conditioned that if we aren't doing what the rest of the community is doing, then we are in the wrong.

I think a lot of why this all is, is because of enforcement.

I wouldn't have a problem with more concrete and universal standards worldwide enforced in the mass. It gets pretty tiresome for people coming and going and different parishes doing different things. [/quote]
But half the fun is dropping to your knees on the hard stone floor for a long period of time when you don't have to.

Plus, I find that people tend to mimic what they see others doing. If you kneel during the consecration out of piety then people will follow your lead. You might increase the piety of the whole congregation.

We don't usually kneel in my church at consecration but for some reason we performed a full proskynesis this last time. It was very nice.

[Ash Wednesday]

I usually kneel at the consecration anyway. I just can't stand standing.



....that last sentance sounded kinda funny.

[shelly_freak]

Maybe I'll just wear a tissue on my head

My grandma used to tell me stories about how if she didn't have her head covering she'd wear a tissue with a bobby pin

[BLAZEr]

I am less concerned about their heads being covered and more concerned about their breasts and midriffs and legs . . .

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='BLAZEr' date='Dec 8 2004, 02:44 AM'] I am less concerned about their heads being covered and more concerned about their breasts and midriffs and legs . . . [/quote]
Good point.

[spathariossa]

[quote name='BLAZEr' date='Dec 8 2004, 01:44 AM'] I am less concerned about their heads being covered and more concerned about their breasts and midriffs and legs . . . [/quote]
I agree. In Orthodoxy most of the time girls are required to wear skirts of at least knee length. We've been allowing pants at my church but I prefer the ankle length skirt look and most of the girls do that voluntarily. Maybe 80%. Also, nobody wears revealing shirts either. I don't know a specific rule about it but it has never come up. I've never seen a girl show her stomach at an Orthodox liturgy. Catholic mass on the other hand...

[Ash Wednesday]

This reminds me of something that happened the last time I was in Sweden attending Mass. The visiting priest was Polish, and lemme tellya, those Polish priests are not slackers. You don't mess with a Polish priest. (Or any priest... but you get the drift.)

The chapel was kind of set up strange where some areas had kneelers and the rest was just chairs. So at the consecration, some of the congregation (usually the people that had kneelers) kneeled whereas the ones that didn't stood.

After Mass the priest lectured (they had to have someone translate from Polish to Swedish) that he was shocked that people didn't kneel at the consecration, and that if you didn't kneel then you might as well be a Protestant, and since Protestants don't believe in the True Presence, then you shouldn't be taking communion.

I was somewhat shocked at the time and I felt bad for the people that didn't mean harm and who felt somewhat put down (and admittedly glad I was at a kneeling pew.... :ph34r:) but now I can understand his concern and why he did what he did.

As a soft-bellied American I have to admit that I'm intimidated by Polish priests. :ph34r:

Edited December 8, 2004 by Ash Wednesday

[Balthazor]

Amen to strict Polish Priests...I hear ya there!

[spathariossa]

[quote name='Ash Wednesday' date='Dec 8 2004, 01:57 AM'] This reminds me of something that happened the last time I was in Sweden attending Mass. The visiting priest was Polish, and lemme tellya, those Polish priests are not slackers. You don't mess with a Polish priest. (Or any priest... but you get the drift.)

The chapel was kind of set up strange where some areas had kneelers and the rest was just chairs. So at the consecration, some of the congregation (usually the people that had kneelers) kneeled whereas the ones that didn't stood.

After Mass the priest lectured (they had to have someone translate from Polish to Swedish) that he was shocked that people didn't kneel at the consecration, and that if you didn't kneel then you might as well be a Protestant, and since Protestants don't believe in the True Presence, then you shouldn't be taking communion.

I was somewhat shocked at the time and I felt bad for the people that didn't mean harm and who felt somewhat put down (and admittedly glad I was at a kneeling pew.... :ph34r:) but now I can understand his concern and did what he did. [/quote]
He called you a protestant? Now THAT is insulting.

[Ash Wednesday]

Haha... no no.... I kneeled.

But he said if you don't kneel you may as well be Protestant...

[Balthazor]

In the Churches in Poland YOU KNEEL,....kneeler or no kneeler..usually on a cold stone floor.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Balthazor' date='Dec 8 2004, 03:01 AM'] In the Churches in Poland YOU KNEEL,....kneeler or no kneeler..usually on a cold stone floor. [/quote]