Balthazor Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Veils are only used to protect important things....... what are you protecting with women's veils? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aluigi Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 okay, i'm not gonna get off topic here but i'd enjoy if you made a topic for this in the debate table... i have to be getting to homework right now so i can't talk so much tonight. head coverings, they're somewhat a discipline, say if a slight change were to be made to the order of the liturgy or something. the thing is, this discipline is found in Sacred Scripture and I believe thus elevated and more necessary to retain than most other disciplines the Church just picked up whatever century she did, 4th or 6th or 11th or 16th or whenever, this one's scriptural basis to me makes it elevated. but it's not developement of doctrine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aluigi Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 what are you talking about with "protecting" read St. Paul, he tells women why to wear veils. i'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with "protecting" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spathariossa Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 [quote name='Aluigi' date='Dec 8 2004, 02:36 AM'] okay, i'm not gonna get off topic here but i'd enjoy if you made a topic for this in the debate table... i have to be getting to homework right now so i can't talk so much tonight. head coverings, they're somewhat a discipline, say if a slight change were to be made to the order of the liturgy or something. the thing is, this discipline is found in Sacred Scripture and I believe thus elevated and more necessary to retain than most other disciplines the Church just picked up whatever century she did, 4th or 6th or 11th or 16th or whenever, this one's scriptural basis to me makes it elevated. but it's not developement of doctrine. [/quote] I agree. The wearing of head coverings is very important scripturally. I'm not sure I want to get in a debate on the issue of the Bishop of Rome. I was raised Catholic and am still just an Orthodox catechumen. But I'll think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 [quote name='Ash Wednesday' date='Dec 8 2004, 03:08 AM'] It depends on the Mass. Definitely if you're at a Latin Mass. Isn't it required as part of the Latin Mass? When I attended Latin Masses in Europe I was wearing a dark beret. If I school in London and attend Latin Mass there I will bring my hats, and I recently found a real treasure -- my mommy's old mantilla. :wub: [/quote] No it is not required for a Latin Mass, it is simply custom. The same canon law applies to both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 [quote name='Ash Wednesday' date='Dec 8 2004, 03:33 AM'] It's the same thing with people that want to kneel when they receive communion, or kneeling at the consecration. I really dislike not kneeling at the consecration and we have announcements in our local bulletin explaining why one shouldn't kneel when everyone else is standing. We're suddenly conditioned that if we aren't doing what the rest of the community is doing, then we are in the wrong. . [/quote] It is not the same thing at all. There is no law in the Church about wearing a hat, however there is a law about kneeling. So the hat is optional , kneeling is NOT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 [quote name='spathariossa' date='Dec 8 2004, 04:26 AM'] So loosening restrictions is development of doctrine? I'm confused. I like Orthodoxy where we have no central governing body but rather a loose coalition of bishops - nothing ever gets done. [/quote] Dogma are things that are unchangeable. Doctrine is how we explain dogma. Discipline is how we do things. Doctrine can develop - it simply means we explain things better or more fully. Discipline - how things are done can change as well. Look at the difference in the Sacrament of Confession and Penance over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spathariossa Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Dec 8 2004, 06:13 AM'] Dogma are things that are unchangeable. Doctrine is how we explain dogma. Discipline is how we do things. Doctrine can develop - it simply means we explain things better or more fully. Discipline - how things are done can change as well. Look at the difference in the Sacrament of Confession and Penance over the years. [/quote] It hasn't changed in Orthodoxy so I couldn't tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazor Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 Wait you WERE Catholic.....actually you technically still are Catholic...and you are saying that you couldn't tell us? Shouldn;t you know all about the Church that you are in before you leave it for another Church? I am not trying to criticize you... it just seems like you have a lot more knowledge about the Orthodox Church than you do the Catholic Church..and yet you are Catholic and you are converting. I find it odd, if I was to change churches I would first find out exactly what my current church beleived and taught before I forsook it and went to a different Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 Sorry, I honestly didn't know that kneeling was required. Don't have to jump all over me. If it's required then I don't understand why the heck people stand. I sure am not down with it. Times like this I realize I should take a break from Phatmass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 [quote name='Ash Wednesday' date='Dec 8 2004, 09:47 PM'] Sorry, I honestly didn't know that kneeling was required. Don't have to jump all over me. If it's required then I don't understand why the heck people stand. I sure am not down with it. Times like this I realize I should take a break from Phatmass. [/quote] Awww...I haven't been following this thread all that closely, but don't leave. We all love ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazor Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 naw don't leave I appreciate you here.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spathariossa Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 [quote name='Balthazor' date='Dec 8 2004, 08:37 PM'] Wait you WERE Catholic.....actually you technically still are Catholic...and you are saying that you couldn't tell us? Shouldn;t you know all about the Church that you are in before you leave it for another Church? I am not trying to criticize you... it just seems like you have a lot more knowledge about the Orthodox Church than you do the Catholic Church..and yet you are Catholic and you are converting. I find it odd, if I was to change churches I would first find out exactly what my current church beleived and taught before I forsook it and went to a different Church. [/quote] I was being facetious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 Nay, not leave. I could never leave. Just a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazor Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 you are facetious a lot...I have seen your other posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now