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[Lil Red]

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[Apotheoun]

[quote name='I Choose to Be Holy' date='Dec 9 2004, 05:24 PM']just remember everyone, not to too caught up in the "law" and forget the faith part.  Whether its kneeling or veils, you shouldn't be doing it because it is required but rather interiorize it and do it out of love and faith.  Jesus came to save us from the law so lets not revert back to it. [/quote]
Jesus did not come to save us from the Law; rather, He came to save us from sin and death.

[quote name='I Choose to Be Holy' date='Dec 9 2004, 05:24 PM']In Alberta, we don't kneel.  I have had many discussions with priests, religious, and bishops about it and i guess even though Vatican says yes, if your bishops or priests say no, you go with what your community is doing, because Mass is a community thing.  Plus, even if you don't phyiscally kneel, you can still kneel with your heart and you always should, regardless of where your body is.[/quote]
The regulation of the sacred liturgy depends solely upon the Supreme Magisterium of the Church; thus, the local community is not permitted to alter anything in the celebration of the Mass.

The Fathers of the Second Vatican Council addressed this particular issue directly when they said that, ". . . no other person, even if he be a priest, may add, remove, or change anything in the liturgy on his own authority." [Vatican II, Constitution [u]Sacrosanctum Concilium[/u], no. 22, art. 3; see also the [u]Code of Canon Law[/u], canon 846 §1]

God bless,
Todd

[BeenaBobba]

[quote name='spathariossa' date='Dec 9 2004, 06:01 AM'] What's the theological basis for all of the sudden requiring celibacy in the priesthood in the middle ages? [/quote]
Actually, this wasn't something that appeared out of thin air. There's a biblical basis for celibacy. E.g., you might want to check out Matthew 19:11-12, where Jesus says that celibacy is a good thing. You might also want to check out 1 Cor. 7:27-34; St. Paul promotes celibacy in that passage, as he himself was celibate. For more information, please [url="http://www.catholic.com/library/Celibacy_and_the_Priesthood.asp"]read this[/url].

Contrary to popular belief, celibacy isn't forced on anyone. Men choose the priesthood -- and the celibacy that comes along with it -- on their own accord. And like I've pointed out above, celibacy is a holy practice. As a matter of fact, it's valued in Eastern Orthodoxy (and in Eastern Catholicism) as well. Priests cannot marry in Eastern Christianity; however, married men can become priests. Eastern Orthodox monks are celibate, and bishops are chosen from the celibate monks.

Anyhow, I hope this information helps answer your question.

God bless,

Jennifer

[BeenaBobba]

[quote name='spathariossa' date='Dec 9 2004, 12:26 AM'] Depends on the time of year. For Orthodoxy the passion isn't the thing we dwell on most of the year - it is the mercy of Christ and the love of the act. Though at Pascha we do spend a lot of time dwelling on the actual passion itself. I just don't think it is as ever present as it is in a Catholic church. [/quote]
You're right on this. In Eastern Christianity, more emphasis is placed on the Resurrection and Jesus' triumph over death, the so-called harrowing of Hell. But that's not to say that Eastern Christianity ignores Christ's Passion. On the other side of that token, it'd be unfair to say that Western Catholicism ignores the Resurrection and Christ's triumph over death. Again, it's a matter of emphasis.

God bless,

Jen

[BeenaBobba]

[quote name='spathariossa' date='Dec 9 2004, 01:31 AM'] Required. I need to get on my priests to enforce it the way the Russians do. [/quote]
Are you involved with a ROCOR parish? I know that head coverings are required at ROCOR parishes, but ROCOR isn't exactly in the best standing with the Orthodox Church. I know many Orthodox Christians, and head coverings aren't required at their parishes. As is my understanding, they're not exactly required in Orthodoxy.

God bless,

Jen

[BeenaBobba]

[quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Dec 9 2004, 12:53 AM'] However, I think this is  a good thing, I don't think the Orthodox focus nearly enough on the passion, or on the redemptive  power of suffering. I find the Orthodox view to be far to focused on the here ( this is more  in practice than in theology) than on the reality that the only purpose for life is to prepare for death. [/quote]
I don't think that's entirely fair. The emphasis in the Eastern Churches is on Christ's Resurrection and its relation to theosis. I don't think there's anything wrong with this at all. It's not like they ignore Christ's Passion. It's more a matter of legitimate emphasis. The Latin Church focuses more on Christ's Passion, and that's great for the Latin Church. But the Eastern Churches aren't the Latin Church, and that's not a bad thing. Pope John Paul II has encouraged Eastern Christians to completely embrace their theological heritage. To make them emphasize Christ's Passion to the extent that we Latin Catholics do would be doing them a disservice, and it'd be an example of the Latinization of the Eastern Churches the pope's trying so hard to combat.

God bless,

Jennifer

[BeenaBobba]

[quote name='spathariossa' date='Dec 8 2004, 11:11 PM'] And this is why of all the churches in my city, including numerous catholic ones, the Orthodox church is the only one that does homeless outreach.  This is why the catholics focus on gloom and doom and the Orthodox focus on the mercy of the Lord Jesus Christ.  This is why the Jesus Prayer is just recently becoming popular in Catholic churches whilst in Orthodoxy it has had primacy for centuries.  Besides which, the Churches were the same for 1000 years. [/quote]
It's ridiculous to pit the Jesus Prayer against the Rosary, or vice versa. Both are great prayers. Defined hesychastic prayer is only two centuries or so older than the Rosary. The practice of counting prayers on beads, as is the case with both the Rosary and the Jesus Prayer, goes back even further.

I also don't like when people characterize Eastern Christians as people who sit around doing nothing. That might be true of some Orthodox Christians, but it's not true of all. I know that for a fact. I also don't like when Eastern Christians, Orthodox and Catholic, are anti-Western. No one can deny the impact Western Catholicism has had on the world for good. To say we're all gloom and doom is a generalization, and a stupid one at that! It's an example of a silly stereotype.

God bless,

Jen

[BeenaBobba]

As far as head coverings are concerned, I don't mind either way. It's a discipline of the Church, so whether or not they're enforced can be changed. I think it's important to understand the spirit of what St. Paul was saying. Head coverings are modest, and modesty is good. But it can't be denied that there's a subjective nature to modesty. What even the most modest lay woman would wear to church nowadays would be a bit different from what women were wearing in New Testament times.

God bless,

Jen