Papal Quote about science

[Phatmasser777]

[quote]"Science can purify religion from error and superstition. Religion can purify science from idolatry and false absolutes."
-Pope John Paul II[/quote]

i saw this on someones sig, and found it quite entertaining, especially concerning the history of the Church and the surpression of science. IE Gallileo.

[cmotherofpirl]

Its my quote.

You obviously know little about the history of science, or Galileo in particular.

[toledo_jesus]

yeah, try reading both sides of the history and understanding both the political and social climate of the times, not to mention the fact that people were and are generally stupid when it comes to things of such a nature.

[url="http://www.catholic.com/library/Galileo_Controversy.asp"]Go here to learn something![/url]

[Phatmasser777]

Wow learn about surpression of knowledge by the Church from the Church! Well, Im sure that would more than trustworthy and accurate .

[cmotherofpirl]

Try reading history before you type about it.

[url="http://www.catholic.com/library/Galileo_Controversy.asp"]http://www.catholic.com/library/Galileo_Controversy.asp[/url]

[toledo_jesus]

[quote name='Phatmasser777' date='Dec 18 2004, 11:19 AM'] Wow learn about surpression of knowledge by the Church from the Church! Well, Im sure that would more than trustworthy and accurate . [/quote]
do you know who wrote your history books? Read into that.
And I mean the history books that have been written since the 1800s, when it was fashionable to portray the Church in the worst light. If you knew anything about what you were talking about, you would know that in history you ALWAYS get as many perspectives as you can.
So yes, learn about "suppression" from the Church. Cheeky.

Edited December 18, 2004 by toledo_jesus

[Apotheoun]

Although I have found innumerable articles that attribute this quotation to the Pope, I have found none that give the pertinent reference information to verify its source. Moreover, I have found several articles that ascribe the quotation to Cardinal Poupard. Now of course it is possible that both men have made the comment, or that Cardinal Poupard is quoting the Pope, but none of the articles indicate that.

Click the links below for websites that ascribe the quotation to Cardinal Poupard:

[url="http://www.stoqnet.org/agencies.html"]National Catholic Reporter (May 9, 2003)[/url]

[url="http://www.cathnews.com/news/305/43.php"]New Vatican Project on Science and Religion[/url]

If anyone finds the Papal document that contains the quotation, feel free to post a link to it in this thread. I'd be interested in reading it in context.

God bless,
Todd

[Phatmasser777]

[quote name='toledo_jesus' date='Dec 18 2004, 10:30 AM'] do you know who wrote your history books? Read into that.
And I mean the history books that have been written since the 1800s, when it was fashionable to portray the Church in the worst light. If you knew anything about what you were talking about, you would know that in history you ALWAYS get as many perspectives as you can.
So yes, learn about "suppression" from the Church. Cheeky. [/quote]
I have a few sayings that I remind myself before reading historical books:

- History has always been written by the winners.
- History in its basic form is; personal comments and statements.

I take many books I read with a grain of salt.

[Dreamweaver]

Its my quote too!

[Paladin D]

[quote name='Phatmasser777' date='Dec 18 2004, 01:29 PM'] I have a few sayings that I remind myself before reading historical books:

- History has always been written by the winners.
- History in its basic form is; personal comments and statements.

I take many books I read with a grain of salt. [/quote]

So, what do you trust?

Edited December 18, 2004 by Paladin D

[Don John of Austria]

[quote]I have a few sayings that I remind myself before reading historical books:

- History has always been written by the winners.
- History in its basic form is; personal comments and statements.

[/quote]

Wow what a silly bunch of carp. First History is often not written by the winners, the losers in amny conflicts have written many many histories, however, on the whole your better history comes from the winners. Victors ussually don't out and out lie about what happened they have no reason to, lets take a example-- The spanih conquest of the Americans empires. The Spanish Conquistadors didn't lie in their books, they admit to many many things which most people in moderity would call atrocities, they on the other hand had no shame in speaking of them because they believed that they where doing the right thing, even when their actions shocked the sensibilities of the nobility back in europe, they never recanted onthere stories, they deeply believed thatthey where RIGHT. Usually victors are if anything generous to the losers, they extoll their courage in battle, they vaunt their enemies cunning and detirmination, they have no reason ( ussually) to denigrate their conquered foe. On the contrary losers are often bitter, and they tend to make up a lot of things to show either why they lost, ( like the decendents of the aztecs) or how evil and cruel their conquerers where.

Edited December 18, 2004 by Don John of Austria

[Don John of Austria]

[quote] saw this on someones sig, and found it quite entertaining, especially concerning the history of the Church and the surpression of science. IE Gallileo[/quote]

THe Church has always supported science, do a little research.