Kraft is a major sponsor of 2006 Gay Olympic Games

[Zoecool13]

[quote name='immaculata' date='May 10 2005, 09:45 PM'] Chicago.. ick. [/quote]
Greatest city in the world... I love it!

[littleflower+JMJ]

[quote name='shelly_freak' date='May 11 2005, 12:09 AM'] Meh....*runs off and eats some mac and coagulated milk*

I think there's a point when we should be aware of what we're buying and where the money is going but at the same time shouldn't we be worried about the stores we shop in everyday that use child and slave labor? I mean seriously, lets think of the big picture, not just EWWW THEY'RE GAY! [/quote]
huh? what do you mean?

no one is saying "EWW their gay" and pointing at people, how you got that i dont know.

we're discussing a company that is going to support this event that will allow such a ridiculous thing to take place and the act of allowance and acceptance which is totally unacceptable.

yeah it might not be hurting us directly, out of sight-out of mind, but when society is crumbling all around us (such as things like this) its only because we've allowed it to happen.

you are right--we need to be looking at the big picture...which is what this thread is all about....

whats alarming about the big picture is whats next after this so-called olympics that was allowed to happen or at least not contested?

I personally, dont want to find out....and i sure know its not worth a box of kraft either

[Zoecool13]

[quote name='littleflower' date='JMJ+May 11 2005, 12:34 AM'] huh? what do you mean?

no one is saying "EWW their gay" and pointing at people, how you got that i dont know.

we're discussing a company that is going to support this event that will allow such a ridiculous thing to take place and the act of allowance and acceptance which is totally unacceptable. [/quote]
The company is a business... I applaud it for supporting this event... It's good business! Do you realize the outlash that would've occured if the event asked them to sponsor this and Kraft said, "sorry, but we don't think that is a good idea because of what it promotes"? They would go bankrupt due to the amount of people that would stop eating it! They'd probably be a percentage of their employees that would leave too!

[littleflower+JMJ]

[quote name='1337 k4th0l1x0r' date='May 11 2005, 12:15 AM'] I can make a much better Macaroni and coagulated milk anyways. Though I do think it is even more unhealthy than the Kraft version. But I can say there is no artificial stuff in it. [/quote]
so can my brother!!

[kateri05]

all people have a moral obligation to OPPOSE morally illicit activties EVEN IF its bad for business!

come on now, who cares if its good business? capitalism untempered by morality is wrong wrong wrong.

if they oppose an IMMORAL event and lose business, GOOD! if their employees quit, GOOD! know why? because they're doing the right thing and THAT is whats most important!

[Zoecool13]

[quote name='kateri05' date='May 11 2005, 12:46 AM'] all people have a moral obligation to OPPOSE morally illicit activties EVEN IF its bad for business!

come on now, who cares if its good business? capitalism untempered by morality is wrong wrong wrong.

if they oppose an IMMORAL event and lose business, GOOD! if their employees quit, GOOD! know why? because they're doing the right thing and THAT is whats most important! [/quote]
unless they're having sex, it's not an immoral event... it's immoral to judge them, it's immoral to criticize them, it's immoral to discriminate against them, and that's what is happening...

So, you're saying if someone is gay, you'd rather them be homeless, poor, and begging on the street (or have you pay for them by being on welfare through your taxes) That's a horrible Christian attitude... Remember, Jesus accepted all people, even sinners at his table... Why can't we do the same?

[littleflower+JMJ]

[quote name='Zoecool13' date='May 11 2005, 12:51 AM'] unlSo, you're saying if someone is gay, you'd rather them be homeless, poor, and begging on the street (or have you pay for them by being on welfare through your taxes) [/quote]

No one here has said that.

[kateri05]

lol wow. way to put words in my mouth. we aren't judgin, criticizing or discrinminating against individuals. we are saying that the homosexual lifestyle is wrong. this event promotes immorality. it doesnt say: love us as children of God, pray for us to help us carry the cross God has given us, it says let us do what we want cuz it feels good.

and i wasn't talking about GAY People, i was talking about Kraft the company (which ps is phillip morris, already an evil business) should be more concerned about morality and less concerned about the bottom line. read my post for what it says, not what you want it to read!

[Zoecool13]

[quote name='littleflower' date='JMJ+May 11 2005, 12:55 AM']
No one here has said that. [/quote]
did you not say it would be a good thing if they quit? If they quit, that would make them unemployed... therefore the possibility of being poor, homeless, and needing to beg is much higher then that of someone that has a job. So, with logic of cause and effect, we can deduce that if they quit, (which is GOOD! in your words) then the effect would possibly be of that person being poor, homeless, and becoming a begger... so, yes, you did say that... It may not be what you meant, but it is what you said.

[track2004]

[quote name='ironmonk' date='May 10 2005, 09:42 PM'] Another corporate attack on family by supporting disordered acts. [/quote]
I don't get why being gay is always eqated with attacking families. Rasing generation after generation where there is spousal abuse and infidelity and divorce is destroying families. Yet another of my friends is having to watch her family break apart; that makes over half (approaching 75%) of my friends who live in broken homes. The attack on the family is coming from within. I have almost lost faith that two people can actually stay married because Lord knows I haven't seen a functioning couple. Marriage is changing because most of my generation (25-15 year olds) don't understand what marriage is; we've never actually seen a good one. If you want to talk about an attack on the family talk about that.

[kateri05]

track, those are both attacks on families, there is no doubt about it, and i would be hardpressed to say which is worse. welcome to the american culture of death

thanks littleflower for READing what i said and zoecool, re: the quitting their jobs, see my other reply post.


sigh. people need to listen better....

[Zoecool13]

[quote name='kateri05' date='May 11 2005, 12:57 AM'] lol wow. way to put words in my mouth. we aren't judgin, criticizing or discrinminating against individuals. we are saying that the homosexual lifestyle is wrong. this event promotes immorality. it doesnt say: love us as children of God, pray for us to help us carry the cross God has given us, it says let us do what we want cuz it feels good.

and i wasn't talking about GAY People, i was talking about Kraft the company (which ps is phillip morris, already an evil business) should be more concerned about morality and less concerned about the bottom line. read my post for what it says, not what you want it to read! [/quote]
is that the purpose of the event "To bring out immorality in all people"? Or is it something like "To bring out peace and equality amongst humans"? No one has said anything about the lifestyle being wrong but me... and the only thing i said was how they have sex is wrong. The "Gay lifestyle" is a loaded term, and can be taken in to many contexts.

Now, as a Catholic I completely agree that it is wrong. However, as a Catholic I definately would not like it if Chicago said no more St. Patrick's day parade because the Atheists are complaining. No more green river, no more green hats, no more green beer. Lets look at the whole picture and "love our neighbor as ourself"

[Zoecool13]

[quote name='kateri05' date='May 11 2005, 01:08 AM']
thanks littleflower for READing what i said and zoecool, re: the quitting their jobs, see my other reply post.


sigh. people need to listen better.... [/quote]
You see it as good little Catholics quitting their jobs for standing up for what they believe in... I see it as Homosexuals quitting their jobs for standing up for what they believe in. Hmm... Anyone wanna take a bet which group would have a higher impact? Kate, in a large corporation like Kraft, I promise there are quite a few homosexuals... those are the ones that I was refering too that would have to leave their jobs... which your response was "GOOD!" So don't tell me when I need to listen better

[littleflower+JMJ]

[quote name='track2004' date='May 11 2005, 01:03 AM'] I don't get why being gay is always eqated with attacking families.  Rasing generation after generation where there is spousal abuse and infidelity and divorce is destroying families.  Yet another of my friends is having to watch her family break apart; that makes over half (approaching 75%) of my friends who live in broken homes.  The attack on the family is coming from within.  I have almost lost faith that two people can actually stay married because Lord knows I haven't seen a functioning couple.  Marriage is changing because most of my generation (25-15 year olds) don't understand what marriage is; we've never actually seen a good one.  If you want to talk about an attack on the family talk about that. [/quote]

we've all witness what you described one way or another, but we cannot deny the obvious affect the strong press for allowance of homosexuality that does harm the family at the core of its identity....

marriages are failing because society is becoming so accustomed to divorice, adultery, infidelity that it has only become fashionable, the "norm" and sadly the case for many families

the next thing on the list will lead to the ultimate loss of any sacredness marriage is still fighting to obtain and hold on.......(by i.e. same sex marriages, etc. lifestyle )

[kateri05]

loving one's neighbor includes admonishing the sinner and instructing the ignorant.

and come on, you think that the purpose of this event is "peace and equality amongst humans"? or, "don't hate us because we're gay", ie. we can do what we want because we the "right" to. be realistic and honest.