Kraft is a major sponsor of 2006 Gay Olympic Games

[littleflower+JMJ]

[quote name='kateri05' date='May 11 2005, 01:08 AM'] thanks littleflower for READing what i said [/quote]
yw

[Zoecool13]

[quote name='kateri05' date='May 11 2005, 01:16 AM'] loving one's neighbor includes admonishing the sinner and instructing the ignorant.

and come on, you think that the purpose of this event is "peace and equality amongst humans"? or, "don't hate us because we're gay", ie. we can do what we want because we the "right" to. be realistic and honest. [/quote]
I don't care what the purpose is, it doesn't bother me in any way shape or form... If I drive down to Chicago for something during it, I may curse it out due to the traffic jams, outside of that, it has no effect on me. And you're the one that said it's purpose was to promote immoral behaivor, that's what i was admonishing by showing other possible purposes... "don't hate us because we're gay" is a very good purpose... Maybe we should hold one, "don't hate us because we're Catholic"... oh well, you know, I'm sure no one would protest that because we're right and everyone else is wrong.

[Scofizzle]

[quote name='FutureNunJMJ' date='May 10 2005, 10:34 PM'] Why on earth do they need their own olympics? What's wrong with the ones we have now? [/quote]
they are atheletically inferioir?

[ironmonk]

[quote name='Zoecool13' date='May 11 2005, 03:23 AM'] I don't care what the purpose is, it doesn't bother me in any way shape or form... If I drive down to Chicago for something during it, I may curse it out due to the traffic jams, outside of that, it has no effect on me. And you're the one that said it's purpose was to promote immoral behaivor, that's what i was admonishing by showing other possible purposes... "don't hate us because we're gay" is a very good purpose... Maybe we should hold one, "don't hate us because we're Catholic"... oh well, you know, I'm sure no one would protest that because we're right and everyone else is wrong. [/quote]
You have done a good job at taking things out of context.

This is a morally illicit event. ANY function that bases it's purpose on sex, especially sexual activities that are an abomination, is wrong. Anything put on with the title "GAY" it's about living the lifestyle and the sin, it's not about "hey, we have same sex attraction and want to be good Catholics so don't judge us".

It's that simple. Either you do not know the Christian faith or you are not Christian to take the stance that you do.



Come on people... learn the faith and to think.


God Bless,
ironmonk

[Alpha Centauri]

Robert Kraft owns the New England Patriots!

Booyah! GO PATS!

[Ash Wednesday]

Zoe, you need to keep your Cool.

The black america pageant is a good point, and indeed I have thought of this. But you can't make someone black or not black. You're black, or you're not.

One's sexual orientation, however, and how that is determined, is still a subject of debate today. Some say it's genetics, others say it's childhood events... how is that determined? What about bisexuals? Some people are pretty sure about their orientation -- there are people that will insist that they were born gay and have always known this. But this is not always the case with everyone. A lot of people feel confused for many years before knowing that they are gay or not. How would Anne Heche have fit into this scenario? She dated Ellen DeGeneres and was by all accounts, a lesbian. Or was she? Now she's married to a man and has a kid. I went to the Games site and one's sexual orientation does not bar them from competing. So.... what is it exactly that they are promoting or celebrating?

Why can't we just keep sex out of sports? It should be about sports. Period. That includes not having inflammatory attacks on homosexuals in the general sports world. To do that shouldn't be tolerated -- if it was, then adulterers and "playas" should get the same treatment in "fairness."

If the gay community wants to have their own games, they have the freedom to do so. But saying that the Gay Games has nothing to do with the lifestyle itself is kind of like ignoring the big white elephant standing in the corner of the room. If religious people aren't comfortable supporting this, then it does not neccesarily mean they are being "judgmental" or condemning someone's soul.

[Thomas Michael]

I gotta side with the pro-Krafts on this one.

Unless the events at these Gay Games are of a sexual nature, there's really nothing to get all in a huff about. It's not like the government is forcing us to attend these games. And Kraft is not gonna suffer if there's a boycott... they know they have plenty of customers that don't care either way.

[Ash Wednesday]

True, Thomas Michael -- I don't know what a boycott means in the big picture -- I think my point is that I don't think that religious people should be criticized among their own for not wanting to support it.

And that the games have nothing to do with sex..... meh, I'm skeptical.

Edited May 11, 2005 by Ash Wednesday

[thessalonian]

[quote name='track2004' date='May 11 2005, 01:03 AM'] I don't get why being gay is always eqated with attacking families.  Rasing generation after generation where there is spousal abuse and infidelity and divorce is destroying families.  Yet another of my friends is having to watch her family break apart; that makes over half (approaching 75%) of my friends who live in broken homes.  The attack on the family is coming from within.  I have almost lost faith that two people can actually stay married because Lord knows I haven't seen a functioning couple.  Marriage is changing because most of my generation (25-15 year olds) don't understand what marriage is; we've never actually seen a good one.  If you want to talk about an attack on the family talk about that. [/quote]
LESS FILLING! :argue: TASTES GREAT!

It's not without or within. It's from all directions.
Marriage is sacred. That is the whole issue. The pro-gays wish to cheapen the Biblical definition of marriage as a union between a man and a woman. They want approval for their disordered behavior. Now you are correct. The behavior you describe is disordered as well. What is the cause of such behavior. Well the root cause is the attack on the family by the culture of no-fault divorce and contraception. But the dark side has not won yet and the next offensive, currently underway is gay marriage and subverting the morality of youth throughout America to believe homosexuality is okay.

You should really stand up and take heed of what is going on. The last immoral behavior before the fall of the great greek and roman societies was the acceptance of homosexuality.

By the way the Church is the greatest cure for the problems you raise, i.e. the breakup of the family. Those families that attend Mass togeter have about a 99% chance of staying together. To those who attend Mass and pray together daily, the numbers are like 1 in 1000.

Blessings

Edited May 11, 2005 by thessalonian

[Ash Wednesday]

[quote name='thessalonian' date='May 11 2005, 09:17 AM'] LESS FILLING! :argue: TASTES GREAT! [/quote]
FRANZISKANER!


Ooops. Sorry. :ph34r:

[thessalonian]

[quote name='Thomas Michael' date='May 11 2005, 09:13 AM'] I gotta side with the pro-Krafts on this one.

Unless the events at these Gay Games are of a sexual nature, there's really nothing to get all in a huff about. It's not like the government is forcing us to attend these games. And Kraft is not gonna suffer if there's a boycott... they know they have plenty of customers that don't care either way. [/quote]
The promotion of the gay agenda is something to get in a huff about. The promotion of homosexuality which is an abomination in God's sight is something to get in a huff about. The degradation of american morality which influences you and your children is something to get in to a huff about. Your like the frog in the water that is turned up slowly. You are falling for Satan's deception. Also you need to keep in mind that God judges nations and punishes them according to their collective deeds. America's time is coming.

I don't know whether Kraft cares of not. Some companies do. If they got enough of a response they might. There are not enough gays in the country to keep them growing. Your view of economics and corporations seems to be a bit mistaken and uneducated. A company that is not growing is dying and if Kraft were to loose 10% market share over this it would be significant. Even 5%.

One final thought. Can a Catholic in good conscience work for Kraft?

Edited May 11, 2005 by thessalonian

[Alpha Centauri]

WOOO! GO PATRIOTS!!

[Norseman82]

[quote name='thessalonian' date='May 11 2005, 09:22 AM'] The promotion of the gay agenda is something to get in a huff about. [/quote]
Zoe, please dwell on this statement. That is what these "gay pride" type events are about, legitimatizing the lifestyle in the public eye, even if there is no overt immorality going on at the events.

I'll tell you what. How about if we organize a "pedophile olympics" or a "bestiality olympics" in Algonquin, IL?

[Theoketos]

Remember that there is no morally neutral event.

[Norseman82]

[quote name='Zoecool13' date='May 11 2005, 12:32 AM'] For those arguing why do they have their own olympics (sorry Angie)...there is a lot of discrimination in sports and athletes towards homosexuality... One way for them to get rid of the discrimination is to prove that they could compete, and if one's score is better then someone in the real olympics, the they have a legitimate argument.

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They can get rid of discrimination by either not being gay or not acting on or publicizing their SSA. And diver Greg Louganis (sp?) won some gold medals in the Olympics (either 1984 or 1988) - and this was well before he came out of the closet, so I don't buy the argument that gay people cannot compete in the general society.


[quote]By the way, is anyone complaining about the Miss Black American contest?  How about all the African-American clubs at their schools?  Is there any one a part of a European-American club?  Don't just pick the battles that you know you can get away with saying by not being Politically Correct or looking like a racist... It's all the same-  So if you're going to argue and laugh about any all-homosexuals events, complain about the bigger events that seclude people.

[/quote]

Being African-American or Hispanic-American or whatever ethnic group is not a behavior that one can control, whereas homosexual behavior is, so please don't compare sexual behavior with race.