9-year-old accused of slaying playmate with

[iggy]

[quote name='Didacus' date='Jun 1 2005, 10:25 AM'] Nice... your sarcasm is very much appreciated.






















[font="Arial"]Many thanks for your thoughts and prayers homeschool...[/font] [/quote]
what sarcasm?

[ironmonk]

[quote name='Didacus' date='Jun 1 2005, 09:34 AM'] I feel very strongly for both families.

People, please do not be too quick to judge, and judge not too harshly.

My 10 year old boy got suspended from school about two months ago for bringing a knife to school and threatening another boy's life.  We are working through it, but believe me its not easy.  Its a long story, where the other boy had bullied my son for several years until finally one day he had enough.

and for those of you who are quick to judge, and bring about statistics to prove points...  here is our familie's statistic if you will:

Both parents are catholic, born and raised.
Son goes to catholic school, and yes they do preach catholic values.
We practise our faith, we go to church.  All our children are baptised, our son goes to communion.
My son had no serious previous incidents.

So go ahead, make a judgment, and put my family in a column of your statitics, see what good that will do anyone. [/quote]
One more thing...

This is not your sons fault... this is the bully's parents fault for [b]not[/b] raising the kid right and the schools fault for allowing such things to continue... I would venture to guess that the bully hasn't been rasied Catholic, or at least properly. Sometimes parents do the right thing and kids can still 'go bad'. It sounds like you are doing the right thing.

When I was a kid, I witnessed many things that the adults who worked for the school should have spoke up about and took charge but failed to do anything. The bad kids were allowed to bully others.


God Bless,
ironmonk

Edited June 1, 2005 by ironmonk

[Didacus]

[quote name='iggy' date='Jun 1 2005, 10:29 AM'] what sarcasm? [/quote]
My apologies, sometimes I do tend to go off the deep end. Nothing gets me going like my kids.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Didacus' date='Jun 1 2005, 11:25 AM'] Nice... your sarcasm is very much appreciated. [/quote]
Actually, I know her in person...I'm guessing she's very serious.

[Luthien]

I can understand your rage Didacus. Im protective of my little brothers, I cant imagine how I'd be with my own kids.

Bullies smell of elderberries.

[1337 k4th0l1x0r]

[quote name='ironmonk' date='Jun 1 2005, 10:27 AM'] Today I see more and more kids get in major trouble for "kid fights"... we use to get in fights when we were kids and in a couple hours be best friends again... it's part of growing up and teaches kids valuable lessons if a child is instructed properly on defending themselves.

Kids are mean, and the mean kids learn important lessons when they attack kids that know how to defend themselves. [/quote]
I had another kid bully me in 5th grade. It really got on my nerves. The thing is that if I ever did ANYTHING back at the bully and it got the teacher's attention, the bully would claim I was the one who was doing stuff to him. The problem with disallowing the 'kid fights,' which I got into plenty with my little brother, is that there is no good recourse for the kid when things get out of hand. Some kids cope with it, move schools (like I did), or finally get back at the bully in some other clever way. However, some kids eventually end up going crazy and shooting up a school. There were never any school shootings during the era of playground fights. All that would happen is the teacher would separate the two kids and let them move on. Now if that happens there's several weeks of suspension and counseling sessions 'since there must be something very wrong with the kid.' The two things I learned in the fights I got into as a kid (which were very mild) were: 1) if you get on someone elses nerves enough you will get a butt-whooping and 2) if you try to hurt someone you very well can get hurt back. Positive lessons if you ask me. I turned out fine and don't have any violent tendencies.

[1337 k4th0l1x0r]

And if the schools are so insistent on letting the kids give into their natural instincts to copulate then why won't they let them give into their natural instincts to fight? Not all fighting in nature is meant to be debilitating to the other animal. Ever seen two dogs fight? It's used to establish territory, not kill the other animal.

[Luthien]

My Dad used to get into schoolyard fights all the time when he was a kid in the 50's. This one kid would pick on him all the time. Finally, my Dad gave him a bloody nose and made him cry. That kid left me Dad alone from then on.

[Didacus]

and IronMonk,

Ya, I agree with a lot of things you say. I got my kid into KungFu, precisely for the reasons you mention - so he HAS an option whenever this occurs again.

The school was absolutely no help to us, and covered up the 'victims' faults. Some people are REALLy hard to carry in one's heart.

The parents of the other child did not press charges, and I can understand why - their son's dirty laundry exposed in a court room would have been a humiliating experience for their entire family I guarantee you. I will not 'bad-mouth' the other child, but yes, that other family does have [i]serious[/i] issues.

Nor do I seek to make excuses for my little one. What he did was VERY wrong, and VERY grave. We did not seek to punish him so much as to have him understand what he did wrong. So part of his punishment was to copy ROMAN 12 a few times and explain it in his own words. I love that phrase "Vengeance is mine! says the Lord."

[JoannaBanana]

That's crazy..I think..The parents need to be better parents and teach their kids RIGHT FROM WRONG..and also..how to handle a situation like that.....


But that's just my opinion <3

[Didacus]

The point is kid fights is part of that teaching right from wrong. Some things they need to experience for themselves in order to learn it.

I remember when I was a kid... phew! i never bullied so much, but I didn't let anyone bully me too!

What I learned; I can kick the ass of anyONE in class - one to one I live in fear of none. But sooner or later they'll gang up on you! I remember the sinking feeling of having three or four 'buddies' waiting for me just outside of schoolgrounds on my way home (but that only happened a handful of times).

All the lickings done and over with now, those given, those received, it's all good. Even for those whose used to bully me, when we meet now we can have a bit of laugh and we actually consider it part of our childhood memories - the good old times sorta thing.

The fact is a preadolescent children yet to hit puberty, bare fisted, do not pocess the strenght nor knowledge, nor the capability to hurt each other. The occasional bleeding nose, a bruise here, a bruise there, but never anything serious (in general, I am certain a few odd-ball cases have happened). When they start using objects, they it starts getting serious.

I doubt the incident which started this thread will produce such sentiments however.