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Thy Geekdom Come Posted November 12, 2005 Author Share Posted November 12, 2005 [quote name='p0lar_bear' date='Nov 12 2005, 03:34 PM']Umm... actually, Gabriel is right In discussing the Perpetual Virginity of Mary, the Church says that she was virgin before, during, and after the birth of Jesus. What Gabriel is refering to is virginity during the birth. Of course this doesn't mean that she had a c-section, but that her virginity, including the physical manisfestations thereof, was not affected or diminished in the birth. [url="http://www.cuf.org/Faithfacts/details_view.asp?ffID=102"]Here's[/url] one thing from the reference section that discusses it: [right][snapback]786499[/snapback][/right] [/quote] That would require the definition of virginity to include that the womb is unopened, which I have never heard. So, it remains...how do we know that this is what the Church meant by virginity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted November 12, 2005 Author Share Posted November 12, 2005 [quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Nov 12 2005, 03:38 PM']Like light through glass... [right][snapback]786506[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Yes, but I never understood that to be a matter of doctrine over theological opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 [quote name='photosynthesis' date='Nov 12 2005, 02:41 PM']? [right][snapback]786512[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I heard it explained that way.... but having given birth to three babies, I'd like to know exactly how that happens... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted November 12, 2005 Author Share Posted November 12, 2005 [quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Nov 12 2005, 03:45 PM'] I heard it explained that way.... but having given birth to three babies, I'd like to know exactly how that happens... [right][snapback]786517[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I don't know...maybe it's like in your avatar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 Now I have to change it. You did that on purpose, didn't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 Sorry, that was too funny... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted November 12, 2005 Author Share Posted November 12, 2005 [quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Nov 12 2005, 03:52 PM'] Now I have to change it. You did that on purpose, didn't you? [right][snapback]786525[/snapback][/right] [/quote] No, I just saw your post and looked over to find the baby in the sun there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted November 12, 2005 Author Share Posted November 12, 2005 I don't have any problem if this is the case, I just want to know where the defined doctrines of the Church specifically address it. Having never understood birth as a violation of virginity, it doesn't make any sense to me that this is the necessary understanding either of the Scriptures or of the Mary Ever-Virgin doctrine (since birth, in my understanding, doesn't violate virginity). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old_Joe Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 [quote name='Raphael' date='Nov 12 2005, 02:58 PM'] No, I just saw your post and looked over to find the baby in the sun there! [right][snapback]786532[/snapback][/right] [/quote] That baby scares me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theoketos Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 I would also like to point out that the Fathers see a link between Christ entering the upper room where the apostles were hiding through a closed door and Christ entering the world through an undefiled womb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted November 12, 2005 Author Share Posted November 12, 2005 [quote name='Theoketos' date='Nov 12 2005, 04:32 PM']I would also like to point out that the Fathers see a link between Christ entering the upper room where the apostles were hiding through a closed door and Christ entering the world through an undefiled womb. [right][snapback]786571[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Beautiful, but if someone would just provide me with the doctrinal definition, I'd be content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 [quote name='Raphael' date='Nov 12 2005, 02:10 PM']I don't demand proof from everyone like you do. [right][snapback]786428[/snapback][/right] [/quote] What's this mean? I'm just sayin, unless someone has magisterial authority, you shouldn't accept or reject something as true just based on the reputation of the person who said it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted November 12, 2005 Author Share Posted November 12, 2005 [quote name='Aloysius' date='Nov 12 2005, 04:52 PM'] What's this mean? I'm just sayin, unless someone has magisterial authority, you shouldn't accept or reject something as true just based on the reputation of the person who said it... [right][snapback]786587[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I agree...but it seemed to me like you were saying that I should have taken him to task on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 sorry, not what I meant, just seemed like you were just accepting it because the guy said so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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