Sojourner Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 No problems with that on this end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 please dont get the idea that I'm trying to reason you from your decsion. Its only my past issues that have brought me to believe this. Medicaly we are talking severe skin caner. Like cigs which give you lung can and medically cover up the name with names such as typhoon or zephry. These issues are outside of the Biblical issue. GOD doesnt you can but he also says you cant'. So its our duty to remain smart with our bodies. Because they are the temple of GOD. As, for the gender issue. lol. No offense intended. XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 [quote name='Convert4888' post='1008157' date='Jun 19 2006, 10:48 AM'] please dont get the idea that I'm trying to reason you from your decsion. Its only my past issues that have brought me to believe this. Medicaly we are talking severe skin caner. Like cigs which give you lung can and medically cover up the name with names such as typhoon or zephry. These issues are outside of the Biblical issue. GOD doesnt you can but he also says you cant'. So its our duty to remain smart with our bodies. Because they are the temple of GOD. As, for the gender issue. lol. No offense intended. XD [/quote] Well, I made the decision several years ago, so at this point it's moot. Tattoo ink has not been shown to cause skin cancer, at least not from any reputable source that I've read. I'd be interested to read what you've got on it, though. The most I've read is that a darker tattoo can make it more difficult to detect melanoma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josie07 Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 well i'm not part of that 24% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cow of Shame Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 [quote name='Convert4888' post='1008137' date='Jun 19 2006, 10:16 AM'] And how can you be so sure that the guy giving you body art is actually using a sterile needle. He doesn't care about your health he just wants your money. [/quote] This has to be one of the most ignorant arguments I've ever heard. Cleanliness is of the utmost importance in tattoo parlors. The artist doesn't want anything you've got, and there's no way that he wants to make his customers ill. MANY people who have tattoos are repeat customers. Artists work hard to get a good reputation, not only for their artwork. These people genuinely enjoy what they're doing and take great pride in it. You can disagree with whether or not it's right to get tattooed, but don't make uninformed naive arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 (edited) If the argument was naive then I guess there would never be health problems to begin with, but I just wrote a huge post on medical issues of tatoos and the blood pathogens they cause. And if they were always sterile then their wouldnt be as many hepititus and HIV cases as their are which have increased by almost half over a year. Religiously, I dont wanna play with fire because its a confusing argument. GOD said in levitical law that tatoos are wrong but he never said that you could mark your body. Whether we are still binding by that law or not. I believe that even outside of the religious sphere tatoos are as harmful to your body as smoking. Even when cigs were big, people never knew they gave you cancer, many denied that it gave you serious health injurys and the tobacco company still has a masked names for it. Even after they were sued. However, people still denied that it caused major health issues. Play around the issue all you want the needle might be sterile but, just like in cigaretts do you know every ingredient that goes into tatoos. Everything we have in this world besides what grows out the ground kills, us even soda pop tendency to kill us. Tatoos are on the bottom of my list. They even look unhealthy on people. Do me a favor read my previous post about the health isssue. We'll see who is naive. Edited June 19, 2006 by Convert4888 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 [quote name='Convert4888' post='1008258' date='Jun 19 2006, 01:46 PM'] If the argument was naive then I guess there would never be health problems to begin with, but I just wrote a huge post on medical issues of tatoos and the blood pathogens they cause. And if they were always sterile then their wouldnt be as many hepititus and HIV cases as their are which have increased by almost half over a year. Religiously, I dont wanna play with fire because its a confusing argument. GOD said in levitical law that tatoos are wrong but he never said that you could mark your body. Whether we are still binding by that law or not. I believe that even outside of the religious sphere tatoos are as harmful to your body as smoking. Even when cigs were big, people never knew they gave you cancer, many denied that it gave you serious health injurys and the tobacco company still has a masked names for it. Even after they were sued. However, people still denied that it caused major health issues. Play around the issue all you want the needle might be sterile but, just like in cigaretts do you know every ingredient that goes into tatoos. Everything we have in this world besides what grows out the ground kills, us even soda pop tendency to kill us. Tatoos are on the bottom of my list. They even look unhealthy on people. Do me a favor read my previous post about the health isssue. We'll see who is naive. [/quote] It's fine for you to believe that they're unhealthy. The problem is when you start arguing that they're unhealthy for others without providing some sort of reputable information other than your own opinion to back up what you're saying. Everything you've said here is your own opinion. You find a study that shows that tattoos are contributing to a rise in hepatitis or HIV/AIDS or cancer, and we'll talk. Until then you have only unsubstantiated opinion on your side. The CDC has documented no cases of HIV/AIDS being spread through tattoos. And as long as proper hygienic precautions are taken, hepatitis isn't a concern either. You have an equal if not greater risk of the same problems if your dentist isn't good about sterilizing equipment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 I did... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 where? I see no links to anything in your posts. Just your opinion. [url="http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis/c/tattoo.htm"]From the Center for Disease Control[/url] [quote]CDC's Position on Tattooing and HCV Infection Although some studies have found an association between tattooing and HCV infection in very selected populations, it is not known if these results can be generalized to the whole population. Any percutaneous exposure has the potential for transferring infectious blood and potentially transmitting bloodborne pathogens (e.g., HBV, HCV, or HIV); [b]however, no data exist in the United States indicating that persons with exposures to tattooing alone are at increased risk for HCV infection.[/b] For example, during the past 20 years, less than 1% of persons with newly acquired hepatitis C reported to CDC's sentinel surveillance system gave a history of being tattooed. Further studies are needed to determine if these types of exposures, and the settings in which they occur, are risk factors for HCV infection in the United States. CDC is currently conducting a large study to evaluate tattooing as a potential risk.[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 (edited) [quote]Courtesy of Paitent Care and David M. Deci, MD who wrote this article[/quote] I'm looking to be a doctor. David Deci is my families friend. He directed me to his article when I wanted a tattoo and I mention the websites names and the author of the article David Deci (MD) in my previous post. The Medical Implacations on tattooing is his. I have research most of it and found it to be true through my studies. But, still studying. lol. Edited June 19, 2006 by Convert4888 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 Ahhh, I apologize. I didn't read your post after you'd edited. OK. I see nothing about cancer in the edited post. And of course improper procedures leave you vulnerable to infection. I've never argued that you should willy-nilly get a tattoo from Joe the Dirty Tattoo Artist. You go to a reputable, clean place. You do your research. You're aware of the risks. And if it's done right, odds of a bad reaction or infection are small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zwergel88 Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 tattoos are cool beans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenIIIE3 Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 my body is my temple. a temple for the holy spirit, i do not think you should have grafitti on its walls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 One man's graffiti is another man's ornimentation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cow of Shame Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 [quote name='Convert4888' post='1008258' date='Jun 19 2006, 01:46 PM'] If the argument was naive then I guess there would never be health problems to begin with, but I just wrote a huge post on medical issues of tatoos and the blood pathogens they cause. [/quote] Yeah. I thought it was pretty funny. [quote name='Convert4888' post='1008258' date='Jun 19 2006, 01:46 PM'] And if they were always sterile then their wouldnt be as many hepititus and HIV cases as their are which have increased by almost half over a year. [/quote] This sounds like so much opinionated claptrap.... [quote name='Convert4888' post='1008258' date='Jun 19 2006, 01:46 PM'] I believe that even outside of the religious sphere tatoos are as harmful to your body as smoking. [/quote] This is pretty ridiculous of you. Personally, I don't think hypochondriacs should become doctors. [quote name='Convert4888' post='1008258' date='Jun 19 2006, 01:46 PM'] Play around the issue all you want the needle might be sterile but, just like in cigaretts do you know every ingredient that goes into tatoos.[/quote] You DO know that tattoos aren't addictive, right? LOL I'm sure you can find a detailed ingredient list of the dyes that are used in tattoos. There's no reason to hide it. [quote name='Convert4888' post='1008258' date='Jun 19 2006, 01:46 PM'] Do me a favor read my previous post about the health isssue. We'll see who is naive. [/quote] Who says I didn't read it? I found it uncompelling. [quote name='Convert4888' post='1008113' date='Jun 19 2006, 09:26 AM'] [b]Medical implications[/b] Both tattooing and piercing techniques employ needles that disrupt skin integrity, placing the recipient at risk for infection. Specific skin pathogens such as blah blah blah [/quote] This can happen any time the skin is broken...whether it's a scrape or a surgical procedure. Why not go & hype on plastic surgery? It's much more invasive than tattoos.. [quote name='Convert4888' post='1008113' date='Jun 19 2006, 09:26 AM'] Nose and ear piercings can be prone to infections with Pseudomonas aeruginosa, resulting in a necrotic chondritis that may require disfiguring surgical resections. One study revealed that 30% of ear piercings were complicated by redness and swelling, 26% by drainage, and 11% by persistent bleeding, while another 3% resulted in large or disfiguring scars.[/quote] I'm betting this is all due to misproper care of the area after the piercing, and not from misproperly sterilized needles. But I suppose that sort of data would blow big chunky holes in your argument... [quote name='Convert4888' post='1008113' date='Jun 19 2006, 09:26 AM'] [b]while any percutaneous exposure has the potential for transmission, there is no data that tattooing alone was responsible for an increased risk of HCV infection in the United States.[/b] [/quote] Did you even read your own info? [quote name='Convert4888' post='1008113' date='Jun 19 2006, 09:26 AM'] Iron pigment, used to impart a red color to tattoos, can complicate the diagnostic use of MRI scans because of the magnetic nature of the iron oxide compounds. This can lead to extreme pain at the tattoo site during MRI. [/quote] Do you have proof of this? 'Cause I've seen it disproved. [quote name='Convert4888' post='1008113' date='Jun 19 2006, 09:26 AM']if...God would want us to be tatooed he would have made us that way. [/quote] Dear lord...you're really forwarding this as an argument? If God intended for man to fly, he would have given him wings!! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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