Knight of the Holy Rosary Posted January 15, 2007 Share Posted January 15, 2007 [quote]How is someone even able to call themselves catholic when they are not united with the Pope and the councils? Basically the SSPX are just a new form of protestants[/quote] Precisely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moneybags Posted January 15, 2007 Author Share Posted January 15, 2007 Revprodeji, I don't support schismatics like the SSPX or sedevacantists for the reason you mentioned - they are like Protestants. I like the FSSP, Institute of Christ the King, etc. which are in perfect union with Rome. [quote]What parts of vat 2 offend the SSPX (using as a general term cause i dont like the trad term)[/quote] Ecumenism, changes in the liturgy and the reception of the Sacraments, etc. Watch the video "What we have lost" on Google Videos for more. [quote]Why are you working to restore the latin mass?[/quote] I think the Traditional Latin Mass is more praising of God. There are more prayers that praise Him. I like the atmosphere and the mystery and the reverence. If you have never watched one, look up "Tridentine" or "Latin Mass" on YouTube. [quote]I honestly, as a former pastor, would have huge issues if I could not understand what was being said in mass.[/quote] You can use a missal that translates the Latin to the vernacular. Or, you could learn the prayers in Latin. Most children learned the prayers in CCD classes while growing up. I think the catechism of children was better in pre-Vatican II. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick777 Posted January 15, 2007 Share Posted January 15, 2007 (edited) As a nice alternative I found this site which actually qoutes Vatican II ...." ....It's really my new favorite site. Traditionalist are faithful Roman Catholics. Schismatics are not...don't confuse the two. hmmmmmmmmm, I guess I should include the link: [url="http://www.choraltreasure.org/"]http://www.choraltreasure.org/[/url] Edited January 15, 2007 by Rick777 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenchild17 Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 (edited) [quote name='St. Benedict' post='1166231' date='Jan 15 2007, 07:31 PM'] Revprodeji, I don't support schismatics like the SSPX or sedevacantists [/quote] And yet you post a link to a radio with SSPX affiliates. That is why it was removed, because of the SSPX connection. I don't see why you would take issue with that, if you indeed are against SSPX. Edited January 16, 2007 by goldenchild17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
journeyman Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 [quote name='Rick777' post='1166241' date='Jan 15 2007, 07:43 PM'] As a nice alternative I found this site which actually qoutes Vatican II ...." ....It's really my new favorite site. Traditionalist are faithful Roman Catholics. Schismatics are not...don't confuse the two. hmmmmmmmmm, I guess I should include the link: [url="http://www.choraltreasure.org/"]http://www.choraltreasure.org/[/url] [/quote] higher speed connection preferred - or use of their own player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philosophette Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 [quote name='St. Benedict' post='1166231' date='Jan 15 2007, 06:31 PM'] Revprodeji, I don't support schismatics like the SSPX or sedevacantists for the reason you mentioned - they are like Protestants. I like the FSSP, Institute of Christ the King, etc. which are in perfect union with Rome. Ecumenism, changes in the liturgy and the reception of the Sacraments, etc. Watch the video "What we have lost" on Google Videos for more. I think the Traditional Latin Mass is more praising of God. There are more prayers that praise Him. I like the atmosphere and the mystery and the reverence. If you have never watched one, look up "Tridentine" or "Latin Mass" on YouTube. You can use a missal that translates the Latin to the vernacular. Or, you could learn the prayers in Latin. Most children learned the prayers in CCD classes while growing up. I think the catechism of children was better in pre-Vatican II. [/quote] I think that the mention of the google video should be removed by the moderators. I watched the whole thing and not only is it full of massive misrepresentations of the words of Vat II and the popes, it is sympathetic to SSPX and encourages dissent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N/A Gone Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 [quote name='St. Benedict' post='1166231' date='Jan 15 2007, 06:31 PM'] Revprodeji, 1.)I like the FSSP, Institute of Christ the King, etc. which are in perfect union with Rome. 2.)Ecumenism, 3.)changes in the liturgy and the 4.)reception of the Sacraments, etc. 5.)I think the Traditional Latin Mass is more praising of God. 6.)There are more prayers that praise Him. 7.)I like the atmosphere and the mystery and the reverence. 8.)You can use a missal that translates the Latin to the vernacular. 9.)Or, you could learn the prayers in Latin. 10.) Most children learned the prayers in CCD classes while growing up. 11.)I think the catechism of children was better in pre-Vatican II. [/quote] 1.) What makes you different than a standard Roman catholic. Just curious, never heard of your people. 2.) I guess it depends on how you define ecumenism. If it is attempting to "bring all who claim Christ into unity" then I would have issues with whoever is against that. Beyond that, we can talk. I do not see language in Vat 2 that should upset someone in ecumenism unless that person is prejudice against others. Or prideful 3.) I guess I would need specifics, but what is the problem with this? The liturgy as the church, is a living thing and will change and adapt in respect to tradition as it always has. The patristic liturgy had numerous parts of todays, but it was still different in slight ways. But, I would need to know what you meant before I comment too much 4.) How so? 5.) This is your opinion. I am sure there are others that would disagree since they do not speak latin. As a former protestant, a big argument is in the type of worship and people getting prideful about their type. 6.) We need to write more. I think a child, knowing the words, saying "I love you Jesus" is the most powerful prayer 7.) I agree with you on this part, I wish I had a church around me that wasnt trying to look modern and protestant. 8.) It is different than hearing and understanding, and what about the eulogy(sp) that wouldnt be written out--also small children and old people read slow. and someone reading would not be as focused on the overall worship 9.) yea, lets have the whole world learn a new language when the majority of our people are too lazy/busy to donate time at a soup supper. I like latin and all, but if this is the case lets go back to greek. (I wrote greek here, but font didnt work) 10.) Our parents generation should never be used as an example of what we should be. The shepherds gravely misled our nation. 11.) subjective opinion again, I personally like the adult one that just came out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moneybags Posted January 16, 2007 Author Share Posted January 16, 2007 [quote name='philosobrat' post='1166452' date='Jan 15 2007, 09:31 PM'] I think that the mention of the google video should be removed by the moderators. I watched the whole thing and not only is it full of massive misrepresentations of the words of Vat II and the popes, it is sympathetic to SSPX and encourages dissent. [/quote] I just mentioned it for future reference. I didn't provide a link! Why is such expression of thoughts not allowed on this forum? [quote name='Rick777' post='1166241' date='Jan 15 2007, 06:43 PM'] As a nice alternative I found this site which actually qoutes Vatican II ...." ....It's really my new favorite site. Traditionalist are faithful Roman Catholics. Schismatics are not...don't confuse the two. hmmmmmmmmm, I guess I should include the link: [url="http://www.choraltreasure.org/"]http://www.choraltreasure.org/[/url] [/quote] A Very nice alternative. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenchild17 Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 [quote name='St. Benedict' post='1166625' date='Jan 16 2007, 08:55 AM'] I just mentioned it for future reference. I didn't provide a link! Why is such expression of thoughts not allowed on this forum? [/quote] Eh I wouldn't take it so hard. Catholics have been silenced many times before throughout history. This doesn't even compare to most of those times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philosophette Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 [quote name='St. Benedict' post='1166625' date='Jan 16 2007, 07:55 AM'] I just mentioned it for future reference. I didn't provide a link! Why is such expression of thoughts not allowed on this forum? A Very nice alternative. Thank you! [/quote] I do not mean it to suppress thought, but I have known a lot of Catholics who do not know their faith well, who will innocently watch a program like that and "go off the deep end" and feel like the Church is falling apart... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of the Holy Rosary Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 [quote]I just mentioned it for future reference. I didn't provide a link! Why is such expression of thoughts not allowed on this forum? [/quote] You just need to be careful with reference. Schism and heresy are no laughing matter. From one (obedient) traditionalist to another, we don't want to soil our love of tradition by associating ourselves with such heresy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick777 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 [quote name='St. Benedict' post='1166625' date='Jan 16 2007, 07:55 AM'] A Very nice alternative. Thank you! [/quote] Isn't it great? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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