Anastasia13 Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 The immaculate conception is that she was born without sin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 [quote name='Light and Truth' date='Jan 7 2006, 03:03 PM']The immaculate conception is that she was born without sin? [right][snapback]848927[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Conceived without sin, but you get the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anastasia13 Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 That's my answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 They're all really tied in together. Mary was the Mother of God...therefore, Jesus got His human flesh from her...it had to be pure and clean...immaculate flesh. Mary was immaculately conceived and therefore did not taste death (which is the wages of sin)...or at least would not unless she willed it...whether she did or not has not been defined...therefore, because she was not destined for death, she was assumed body and soul into heaven. The nature of Mary's sinlessness made her set apart for God alone, so she remained a virgin. Et cetera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anastasia13 Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 Yeah, but as a protestant I see the idea of 1 a woman with both human parents who is without sin or 2 a godman who has only one human parent who is without sin and I think the latter is more plausible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 [quote name='Light and Truth' date='Jan 7 2006, 03:52 PM']Yeah, but as a protestant I see the idea of 1 a woman with both human parents who is without sin or 2 a godman who has only one human parent who is without sin and I think the latter is more plausible. [right][snapback]848984[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Why only go for one of them? Mary is the woman with two human parents who is without sin, the mother of the God-man who has only one human parent and who is without sin. It should be specified that what is meant by the Immaculate Conception is that Mary was, by the grace merited by Christ on the Cross, preserved from every stain of original sin. It's essentially what happens at Baptism, applied at the very moment of conception (before there can be any sin in the person, since the person does not exist before conception, either) and perfectly lived out (Mary never offended this nature by sinning, whereas we, after Baptism, sin often). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetpea316 Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 Thanks for the explanation Micah... that's very helpful. The one thing that was always pointed out to me as a Protestant was... when Mary said "My spirit rejoices in God my Savior...", that if she was perfect, why would she need a Savior? But that's just it... God [i]did[/i] save her... from having sin. Did that make any sense? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrea348 Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 [quote name='willguy' date='Jan 23 2004, 10:31 AM']I would say IC because a lot of Protestants think that the Immaculate Conception is Jesus' conception instead of Mary's. Secondly is the "Mother of God" because people think that we are saying that Mary created the divine aspect of Jesus or that Jesus had a beginning. [right][snapback]103116[/snapback][/right] [/quote] it's not just protestants, a lot of CATHOLICS think the Immaculate Conception is Jesus' conception..... Immaculate Conception got my vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photosynthesis Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 [quote name='willguy' date='Jan 23 2004, 10:31 AM']I would say IC because a lot of Protestants think that the Immaculate Conception is Jesus' conception instead of Mary's. [right][snapback]103116[/snapback][/right] [/quote] some people wouldn't know an Immaculate Conception from an Incarnation if it bit 'em in the face. I'd vote for both the Immaculate Conception + the Assumption because the two go hand in hand. If you don't believe the IC, then you wouldn't have much reason to believe in the Assumption. But since I believe Mary IS immaculately concieved, then it makes perfect Biblical sense to me since without sin there is no reason for death, and other righteous people were assumed into heaven in the OT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 By far, the Immaculate Conception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 Though I have heard a lot of misunderstanding about the Immaculate Conception, the one problem that I have heard most often debated from many protestants pertains to Mary's perpetual virginity. I have heard many protestants attempt to prove that Mary had other children after Jesus through Scripture. I think perhaps the most widely misunderstood Marian Dogma is that of her perpetual virginity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
journeyman Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 so did you ever write the tract . . . to whom are you thinking of addressing it? If toward any of the branches of Christianity which think Mary was a nice lady, and nothing else, you've got to hit all four . . . and touching on the mediatrix role wouldn't hurt. If directed toward one not of the Christian faith at all, I'd think the IC would make sense from a logical point of view - God prepares the receptacle (the tabernacle) for his Son - and wouldn't need as much "explanation" . . . and if their cultures have any history of sacred persons being called to join the sacred, then the Assumption isn't a big deal either. I don't see peretual virginity as being a theological issue . . . either you believe, or you don't. Mother of God is going to get all wrapped around the concept of the Trinity . . . and if you go into that in any detail, the whole emphasis of your tract is going to shift away from Mary . . . but that would probably be where the most good can be done . . . since understanding of the Trinity is integral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curtins Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 I put Mother of God cause like we honor her mainly cause she's the mother of God and ppl think we worship her as a goddess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old_Joe Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 I chose Immaculate Conception because I used to have a protestant roommate who couldn't understand why God would set someone apart from the rest of humanity and protect them from sin from the moment of conception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scardella Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 As far as what I've heard from Protestants, it's IC and/or PV. I've never heard them debate about the fact that she's the MoG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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