If I Can Become Catholic, Will I Get Excommunicated For Joining Peta?

[jmjtina]

[quote name='tate4242' post='1424194' date='Nov 24 2007, 09:04 AM']Good points jmjtina:


Rabbi Quinn on my yahoo group gives several writings that have made me wonder to what degree the gospels as they are preserved for us are influenced by the notes and comments of editors such as Tertulian:

[url="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tate4CentralNova/message/42"]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tate4CentralNova/message/42[/url]

[b]The Case Against Hell[/b]
In my opinion Rabbi Quinn has raised many important points in this and in other of his writings that I take very seriously....Oh...and no...the Aquarian Gospel does not teach that Jesus had a human father....[/quote]

had to reply on "The Case Against Hell".

Do you believe there is no Hell? With Early church Fathers dating back to 110 AD.......taken from [url="http://catholic.com"]Catholic Answers:[/url]
[url="http://www.catholic.com/library/Hell_There_Is.asp"]The Hell There Is![/url]

Edited November 24, 2007 by jmjtina

[tate4242]

[quote name='jmjtina' post='1424235' date='Nov 24 2007, 12:14 PM']had to reply on "The Case Against Hell".

Do you believe there is no Hell? With Early church Fathers dating back to 110 AD.......taken from [url="http://catholic.com"]Catholic Answers:[/url]
[url="http://www.catholic.com/library/Hell_There_Is.asp"]The Hell There Is![/url][/quote]

No, I now believe that there is a hell. Because of the writings of Dr. Maurice Rawlings as well as the negative near death experiences of many, I now believe in hell...and i am not entirely happy to have found this out. But s the prophet Esdrs stted...truth is the strongest force and will eventually overcome everything in its path.

I even get into this subject on my political group:
[url="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tate4CentralNova/message/36"]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tate4CentralNova/message/36[/url]

[quote]RogCat <aocfaith@........> wrote:
I would like to hear from anyone who has ideas of what Heaven will be
like. In particular - What do you plan to do when you get to Heaven?

Anyone care to disclose what they hope-for OR have SEEN?

RogCat[/quote]

Shalom Rog:

The Creator Has a wonderful sense of humor.

My keybo@rd is broken & I'm copying and pasting a's
into the text here. Yahushua/Jesus is our Passover Lamb
& the BEGINNING of the plan of YHWH/the metaphorical a. Do you know how
incredibly difficult it is to try to write without the letter a???

Not to mention letter number 26 & letter number l7, the number one or an exclamtion mark???

...anyway, if & when dennis tate ever gets to heaven i might
just grab hold of the Gethsemanie stone that Mr. Rick Joyner
refers to in "The Hordes of Hell are Marching", after I
hold on to it for as long as i can endure, i then grab a rapid
harp lesson, speedily oil my feathers, (or have them oiled for
me as the case may be), then immediately proceed to ask
Jesus/Yahushua to throw me down to hell....as he once felt
compelled to do with my former father/The Devil.

"Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." (John 8)

If I get to heaven then I must have already been given one of
those higher space time dimensional glorious immortal bodies,
& hopefully I should be able to break chains and set captives
free as I believe Jesus/Yahushua did during his three days
and three nights/72 hours in hell.

The Heavenly Father, much like King David, will never be happy
until He gets all his absolom's back, so if we love the Father we will try our best to get the Devil/devils/lost souls back for Him.

Or possibly????.............

...actully I've covered this topic before so I invite anybody who
is interested to disect my ramblings from a couple of years ago.
Now that I m getting more seriously into politics I wondered about a
month ago if I should delete practiclly every one of my old writings off the internet...but nah...I decided not to....and if any of
you find ideas here that you feel indicate that I am an absolute nut and
nobody should vote for me, by all means &uote what I've written and
send it to my campaign political group:

[url="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tate4CentralNova/messages/"]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tate4CentralNova/messages/[/url]

Here are the threads where I addressed this topic as well as
I could at that time:

[url="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ajewishandchristianclub/message/172"]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ajewishandch...lub/message/172[/url]

[b]Have our Atheist buddies actually VOLUNTEERED for hell???????????[/b]

[url="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ajewishandchristianclub/message/198"]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ajewishandch...lub/message/198[/url]

[b]So what about the Bride of Messiah! Will she want to go to hell too????[/b]

Since YAHUSHUA/JESUS is said to have went to hell and preached to spirits in
prison after he was killed.. will the Bride of YAHUSHUA after she is changed and
given immortal bodies.. will she be self indulgent and obsessed with playing
harps?????

I suspect not!!!

tate







[quote]So what about the Bride?
---------------------------------
Quote:
Originally Posted by Night_Mystic
What's all this about a "bride?"

Haven't theard anything about that, so curious.[/quote]


As I understand this.. The Bride of Messiah is the people that He changes into
immortal spirit beings at a particular point in time... A prophecy was given
through Elisabeth Elijah Nikomia that this taking up of the Bride would occur on
Rosh ha Shanah/Festival of Trumpets...one of these years...

I am really into the Hebraic Roots Christianity movement so this explanation
makes a tremendous amount of sense to me.. but frankly at this moment I am
having serious doubts about Elisabeth's prophecies so I really don't know how to
tell what ideas of hers are from a good source.. and what ideas are from the
dark side...

Anyway... the very first thing that YAHUSHUA/Jesus did after he died...
according to some sources... was go to hell and preach to spirits who had been
in chains... I believe that certain people or fallen angels were freed at this
time.. Perhaps they like Thomas wanted to see the Messiah do certain things
before they could believe.. so once these spirits observed it from their
perspective... then they were able to move on to a higher level....

[url="http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1Pe/1Pe003.html#19"]http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1Pe/1Pe003.html#19[/url]

[quote]For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he
might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the
Spirit:

By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in
the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight
souls were saved by water.[/quote]

Another interesting source of information on how YAHUSHUA spoke to spirits in
prison is in the Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ.... I will have a look to
see if I can find it....

My main point is that YAHUSHUA/Jesus will chose for Himself a Bride who thinks
like He does...

This writing about a dream given to Rick Joyner back in '95... indicates that
most of the people who think most like Christians are supposed to... are women
and children....
intriguing....


The Hordes of Hell are mrching by Rick Joyner:



Quote:
[quote]I remembered what a friend had once said, "When an omniscient God asks you a
question, it is not because He is seeking
information." I looked at the thrones. I looked at those who were now seated. I
could recognize some of the great heroes of the faith, but most of those seated
I knew had not even been well known on earth. Many I knew had been missionaries
who had
expended their lives in obscurity. They had never cared to be remember on earth,
but only to Him. I was a bit surprised to see
some who had been wealthy, or rulers who had been faithful with what they had
been given. However, it seemed that faithful,
praying women and mothers occupied more thrones than any other single group.

There was no way that I could answer "yes" to the Lord's question if I
considered myself worthy to sit here. I was not worthy
to sit in the company of any who were there. I knew I had been given the
opportunity to run for the greatest prize in heaven or
earth, and I had failed. I was desperate, but there was still one hope. Even
though most of my life had been a failure, I knew
that I was here before I had finished my life on earth. When I confessed that I
was not worthy, He asked:

"But do you want this seat?"

"I do with all of my heart," I responded.

The Lord then looked at the galleries and said, "Those empty seats could have
been filled in any generation. I gave the invitation to sit here to everyone who
has called upon My name. They are still available. Now the last battle has come,
and many who are last shall be first. These seats will be filled before the
battle is over. Those who will sit here you will know by two things: they
will wear the mantle of humility, and they will have My likeness. You now have
the mantle. If you can keep it and do not lose it
in the battle, when you return you will also have My likeness. Then you will be
worthy to sit with these, because I will have
made you worthy. All authority and power has been given to Me, and I alone can
wield it. You will prevail, and you will be
trusted with My authority only when you have come to fully abide in Me. Now turn
and look at My household."

I turned and looked back in the direction I had come from. From before His
throne I could see the entire room. The spectacle
was beyond any earthly comparison for its glory. Millions filled the ranks. Each
individual in the lowest rank was more
awesome than an army, and I knew had more power. It was far beyond my capacity
to absorb such a panorama of glory. Even so, I could see the only a very small
portion of the great room was occupied.

I then looked back at the Lord and was astonished to see tears in His eyes. He
had wiped the tears away from every eye here,
but His own. As a tear ran down His cheek he caught it in His hand. He then
offered it to me.

"This is My cup. Will you drink it with Me?"

There was no way that I could refuse Him. As the Lord continued to look at Me I
began to feel His great love. Even as foul as
I was He still loved me. As undeserving as I was He wanted me to be close to
Him. Then He said:

"I love all of these with a love that you cannot now understand. I also love all
who are supposed to be here but did not come. I
have left the ninety nine to go after the one who was lost. My shepherds would
not leave the one to go after the ninety nine who are still lost. I came to save
the lost. Will you share My heart to go to save the lost? Will you help to fill
this room? Will you
help to fill these thrones, and every other seat in this hall? Will you take up
this quest to bring joy to heaven, to Me and to My
Father? This judgment is for My own household, and My own house is not full. The
last battle will not be over until My house is full. Only then will it be time
for us to redeem the earth, and remove the evil from My creation. If you drink
My cup you will
love the lost the way that I loved them."

He then took a cup so plain that I was surprised that it even existed in a room
of such glory, and He placed His tear in it. He
then gave it to me. I have never tasted anything so bitter. I knew that I could
in no way drink it all, or even much of it, but I was determined to drink as
much as I could. The Lord patiently waited until I finally erupted into such
crying that I felt like veritable
rivers of tears were flowing from me. I was crying for the lost, but even more I
was crying for the Lord.

I looked to Him in desperation as I could not take any more of this great pain.
Then His peace began to fill me and mix with His love that I was feeling. Never
had I felt anything so wonderful. This was the living water that I knew could
spring up for eternity. Then I felt as if the waters flowing within me caught on
fire. I began to feel that this fire would consume me if I could not begin
declaring the majesty of His glory. I had never felt such an urge to preach, to
worship Him, and to breathe every breath that I
was given for the sake of His gospel.

"Lord!" I shouted out, forgetting everyone but Him. "I now know that this throne
of judgment is also the throne of grace, and I
ask You now for the grace to serve You. Above all things I ask You for grace! I
ask You for the grace to finish my course. I
ask You for the grace to love You like this so that I can be delivered from the
delusions and self-centeredness that so pervert
my life. I call upon You for salvation from myself and the evil of my own heart,
and for this love that I now feel to flow
continually in my heart. I ask You to give me Your heart, Your love. I ask You
for the grace of the Holy Spirit to convict me of
my sin. I ask You for the grace of the Holy Spirit to testify of You, as You
really are. I ask for the grace to testify of all that
You have prepared for those who come to You. I ask for the grace to be upon me
to preach the reality of this judgment. I ask
for the grace to share with those who are called to occupy these empty thrones,
to give them words of life that will keep them
on the path of life, that will impart to them the faith to do what they have
been called to do. Lord, I beg You for this grace."

The Lord then stood up. Then all of those who were seated upon the thrones for
as far as I could see also stood up. His eyes
burned with a fire I had not seen before.

"You have called upon Me for grace. This request I never deny. You shall return,
and the Holy Spirit shall be with you. Here
you have tasted of both My kindness and My severity. You must remember both if
you are to stay on the path of life. The true
love of God includes the judgment of God. You must know both my kindness and
severity or you will fall to deception. This is
the grace that you have been given here, to know both. The conversations you had
with your brethren here were My grace.
Remember them."

He then pointed His sword toward my heart, then my mouth, then my hands.

When He did this fire came from His sword and burned me with a great pain. "This
too is grace," He said. "You are but one of
many who have been prepared for this hour. Preach and write about all that you
have seen here. What I have said to you say to My brethren. Go and call My
captains to the last battle. Go and defend the poor and the oppressed, the
widows and the
orphans. This is the commission of My captains, and it is where you will find
them. My children are worth more to Me than the
stars in the heavens. Feed My lambs. Watch over My little ones. Give the word of
God to them that they may live. Go to the
battle. Go and do not retreat. Go quickly for I will come quickly. Obey Me and
hasten the day of My coming."

A company of angels then came and escorted me away from the throne. The leader
walked beside me and began to speak.

"Now that He has stood He will not sit again until the last battle is over. He
has been seated until the time when His enemies are to be put under His feet.
The time has now come. The legions of angels that have been standing ready since
the night of passion have now been released upon the earth. The hordes of hell
have also been released. This is the time that all of creation has been waiting
for. The great mystery of God will soon be finished. We will now fight until the
end. We will fight with you and your
brethren."[/quote]

Sorry.. I admit Hebrew terms are very confusing...
---------------------------------
[quote]Quote:
Originally Posted by PragmaticChris
You tend to jump all over the place in your posts. Sometimes it hard to follow
what you're talking about.

Also (and this is a personal note), I'm not Jewish, and cannot read Hebrew, so
when you write Hebrew words or speak of Jewish customs, I have 2 choices -- I
can either take the time to look up what they mean or I can skip it and move
onto other posts. Guess which one I tend to do the most often. :p

I hope you don't take offense to any of this, as it was not meant that way.[/quote]


Sorry... I admit that Hebrew theology and ideas are incredibly confusing.. but
once you get into them it is hard to stop...

They are one of the only groups that seems to teach about universal salvation..
the idea that every Jew of all time periods will eventually be saved....

Many Jews believe in multiple reincarnations for each of us but also a
resurrection where each of us again stands on the earth.. and at this time we
will be taught what we did not understand at this time... I highly recommend
Ezekiel 37 the entire chapter to get an idea about this...

[url="http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze037.html#top"]http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze037.html#top[/url]

You are definitely right that I jump around... the last question was about the
Bride... and I ended up explaining as best I could that the Bride are the people
who go after the lost... If somebody doesn't go after the lost. ....chances are
they willl not be part of the Bride! So I do answer the question.. in a weird
kind of way...

These people who go after the lost... what are they going to want to do when
they are given power and authority and wealth and all the harps of heaven to
play with if they want to?

I think that maybe they will want to go to hell and chase around fallen spirits
just like their King/Groom did... just after he was killed!


urin Gospel of Jesus the Christ:

[quote]Chapter 172:

Quote:
15. Now,Jesus did not sleep within the tomb. The body is the manifest of soul;
but soul is soul without its manifest.
16. And in the realm of souls, unmanifest, the Lord went forth and taught.
17. He opened up the prison doors and set the prisoners free;
18. He broke the chains of captive souls, and led the captives to the light;
19. He sat in council with the patriarchs and prophets of the olden times;
20. The masters of all times and climes he met, and in the great assemblies he
stood forth and told the story of his life on earth, and of his death in
sacrifice for man,
21. And of his promises to clothe himself again in garb of flesh and walk with
his disciples, just to prove the possibilities of man;
22. To give to them the key of life, of death, and of the resurrection of the
dead.
23. In council all the masters sat and talked about the revelations of the
coming age,
24. When she, the Holy Breath, shall fill the earth and air with holy breath,
and open up the way of man to perfectness and endless life.[/quote]

[allis-challmers]

[quote]When God is absent man is absent as well.

Our culture has lost sight of God. The upsurge of animal protection is the result of a culture that is not able to see itself correctly. When we lose sight of God, we forget what it is to be human. Satan would love nothing more than for us to lower ourselves to the level of pure animal. In fact, we are placing ourselves below the level of animals for certainly most species of animals have the sense enough not to kill their own children.

What an absolute poverty that we can spend so much money for animal rights while a young pregnant mother has hardly any resources when she needs help. (I say that to the shame of republicans and democrats.) Along those lines, let us make sure that if we support a pro-life candidate that we also make sure that provision is made for the unwed mother as well. (off topic, vent, had to be said)

I love my dog, but he ain't going to heaven and if I ever get hungry enough he will be dinner.

Thx,

Pontifex[/quote]


well put

[tate4242]

[quote name='jmjtina' post='1424235' date='Nov 24 2007, 12:14 PM']had to reply on "The Case Against Hell".

Do you believe there is no Hell? With Early church Fathers dating back to 110 AD.......taken from [url="http://catholic.com"]Catholic Answers:[/url]
[url="http://www.catholic.com/library/Hell_There_Is.asp"]The Hell There Is![/url][/quote]

Yes, I do believe in hell.

I didn't until I ran into the negative near death experience material though and this was very difficult for me to accept but I have to believe in hell now that I've faced all the evidence:

[url="http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=25829456480&topic=4464"]http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=2582...&topic=4464[/url]

Topic: Scientific explanation for hell from Dennis Tate. Re. Update from Sid Roth.

[IrishSalesian]

[quote name='Archaeology cat' post='1423953' date='Nov 23 2007, 02:40 PM']I support People for the Eating of Tasty Animals. . .[/quote]

I second that!

[Sarah_JC]

All I've ever heard from PETA is glorification of extramarital sex, degradation of the Catholic faith and euthanizing animals in vans.

[url="http://www.petakillsanimals.com/"]http://www.petakillsanimals.com/[/url]

Join the (A)SPCA. No anti-catholic ads, no back-of-the-van euthanizing, just good old caring for God's creation and rescuing them from abuse.


edit: added the word "extramarital" for clarity

Edited June 30, 2008 by Sarah_JC

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Sacred Music Man' post='1423756' date='Nov 22 2007, 07:06 PM']I'm with JMJ Tina here. I'm not an avid meat eater, but we are allowed to kill animals. They are not equal to our lives. They do not have immortal souls... so in a sense, we'd be doing them a favour be eating them... heheh[/quote]

I have been a vegetarian for six years, and while I understand what you are saying, people like myself have problems with the [b]way[/b] the animals are slaughtered, not [b]because[/b] they are slaughtered.

[CatherineM]

I eat very little meat simply because I don't like what it does to my body. My poor husband only gets red meat when he eats out, the rest of the time he submits to soy burgers and the like.

I ditto on the ASPCA. They actually spend their money on the animals instead of advertising and having an international media profile.

[tate4242]

[quote name='IrishSalesian' post='1587287' date='Jun 30 2008, 03:01 PM']I second that![/quote]

Thank you Irish Salesian!

I am not absolutely positive of this but I suspect that I might just be an Irish SAlesian also?!

What exactly is a Salesian?

[tate4242]

[quote name='Sarah_JC' post='1587413' date='Jun 30 2008, 07:30 PM']All I've ever heard from PETA is glorification of extramarital sex, degradation of the Catholic faith and euthanizing animals in vans.

[url="http://www.petakillsanimals.com/"]http://www.petakillsanimals.com/[/url]

Join the (A)SPCA. No anti-catholic ads, no back-of-the-van euthanizing, just good old caring for God's creation and rescuing them from abuse.
edit: added the word "extramarital" for clarity[/quote]

Hi Sarah:

You definitely present a powerful case for supporting the ASPCA over PETA!

Have you ever studied law?

Blessings.

Dennis

[Selah]

Yep. Join the ASPCA instead. PETA has been known to...do some strange things. Well, let's just say that quite a few of those "pictures" are staged. Oh, and I believe they think Jesus was a vegan...lol

[quote]I have been a vegetarian for six years, and while I understand what you are saying, people like myself have problems with the way the animals are slaughtered, not because they are slaughtered.[/quote]

That's a good point. I am slowlry weaning myself off of meat. i just don't like it very much anymore. I still eat chicken, turkey, fish, and the like, but nothing else to be honest.

[Apotheoun]

Just don't join the [i]Army of the Twelve Monkeys[/i].

[Sarah_JC]

[quote name='tate4242' post='1588512' date='Jul 1 2008, 05:24 PM']Hi Sarah:

You definitely present a powerful case for supporting the ASPCA over PETA!

Have you ever studied law?

Blessings.

Dennis[/quote]

I didn't make that site, if that's your reason for thinking my case is powerful. I've only studied law as it related to land use and property ownership.

[tate4242]

[quote name='Sarah_JC' post='1603907' date='Jul 20 2008, 09:44 AM']I didn't make that site, if that's your reason for thinking my case is powerful. I've only studied law as it related to land use and property ownership.[/quote]

Hi Sarah:

It has been a while since I had a chance to get here so I kind of forgot my original reasoning but I think I wondered if you had studied law by the way that you presented your argument in such a way that you make it diffucult to disagree!

But that website sure does make powerful points:

[quote]Exclusive: PETA Killed More than 90% of the Animals in its Care in 2007
.....
In comparison, the Virginia Beach SPCA, right down the road from PETA’s Norfolk headquarters, managed to adopt out almost 70% of the animals in its care last year. And it did it on a relative shoestring budget.

Adding PETA's 2007 numbers to the mix, we can now document that the group has put down over 19,200 dogs, cats, puppies, and kittens. While it's possible that some of these animals were too broken or sick to be rehabilitated, humane societies in Virginia managed to save an average of nearly 65 percent of their animals in 2007. PETA found adoptive homes for less than 1 percent.[/quote]

[CatherineM]

PETA really went overboard this week. They actually used the bus beheading up here in Canada in an ad campaign. Comparing it to how humans treat animals. Unbelievable.