Seven77 Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 [quote name='Raphael' post='1424566' date='Nov 25 2007, 12:14 PM']My understanding was that he started a non-denominational praise and worship outreach and specifically said it wasn't meant to cause competition. I don't see anything wrong with that. As for the criminal charges, he's accused, and we really have no right to say any more than that. As for leaving the priesthood, assuming it's true, it's a tragedy and we should pray for him. As for LifeTeen itself, none of it is conducive to sexual abuse or misconduct. A person using it would have to go out of his or her way to make it so. However, if he is found guilty of these charges, LifeTeen will need to do some damage control, definitely. God bless, Micah[/quote] Great points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cappie Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 [quote name='dUSt' post='1424308' date='Nov 25 2007, 07:34 AM']Any organization founded on certain ideals will reflect the ideals of it's founder, and if we are now seeing the true Fr Dale's ideals, it is not good for Lifeteen. Sorry.[/quote] Fr. Marcial Maciel, the 85-year-old founder of the Legionaries of Christ, has been in trouble does your opinion stand for the Legionaries as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starets Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1424518' date='Nov 25 2007, 09:28 AM']You are right and we have all missed this most important point, we need to pray most for the kids.[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjtina Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 Praise and Worship? Am I the only one who is peeved with this saying? True Worship is only done in the Mass. While Worship does include Praise, Praise does not always include Worship. We need not only pray for the teens but for Msgr. Dale. Prayers for the whole Lifeteen family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 [quote name='Raphael' post='1424566' date='Nov 25 2007, 11:14 AM']My understanding was that he started a non-denominational praise and worship outreach and specifically said it wasn't meant to cause competition. I don't see anything wrong with that.[/quote] I'm stunned. You see nothing wrong with a priest starting up a non-denominational church? Wow. Just.... wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 from their website: [quote]Mission Through lively worship of God, [b]breaking open the word[/b], total acceptance of each person and learning to love more deeply, the community will assist each other in our spiritual journey. By forming a community that supplements the faith experience of its members, we will equally welcome sinners and saints as we support one another.[/quote] kinda sounds like a church service with no communion. pretty scandalous if you ask me of a priest (even if he "resigned") to start this up. edited to add: from their FAQ section: [quote]3. Will there be a mass? This is not a Catholic organization. There will be no mass. The service will consist primarily of the Word, preaching, praise and worship music, and spirit-filled prayer. 5. What is a Praise and Worship Center? It is not a "new religion," but is a gathering of people of diverse religious backgrounds and experience as a community for the purpose of praising God in prayer and in service. [b]There will be Sunday services, and eventually services and ministries during the week.[/b] The center is Christian in its orientation, but is neither Catholic nor Protestant. It is truly ecumenical and multi-denominational. 6. Will non-Catholics come to this and feel at home or will there be strong Catholic influence? Because the Praise and Worship Center is not affiliated with any specific denomination, there are no doctrinal guidelines or mandated acceptance of proscribed theology required for membership. There will be a spirit of listening to each others' opinions and an atmosphere of learning and growing from sharing experiences and insights. Unconditional love, acceptance of each person in a non-judgmental way, the centrality of Christ's message of love and forgiveness, and the teachings of the gospel will be the sources of the message of the Center. [b]Moral and family decisions will be left up to the spiritual discernment of each individual member.[/b][/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 so even though he says: [quote]"This is not a church. It is not intended to draw people away from their denominations," he said.[/quote] it sure sounds like one to me also from the website: [quote]The Praise and Worship Center is ecumenical. People of all faiths are welcome. The leadership of our center will include [b]former priests Mark Dippre and Dale Fushek.[/b] The Praise and Worship Center, which is intended to supplement the church experience of Christians, will begin regular prayer meetings on Sunday, December 23, 2007 at the Mesa Convention Center.[/quote] the whole thing is scandalous and i think should be avoided by all Catholics in that area. what do you think people will start doing? they will start going to this Praise and Worship Center's Sunday services because people (in general) are lazy and will only want to go to ONE service on Sundays, not a Mass and then a Praise & Worship service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inDEED Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 As a registered parishioner of St. Timothy's and a 100% Catholic, I completely agree with my Pastor's (Fr. Jack of St. Timothy's) position on this situation. While I am thankful for everything that Monsignor Dale has done (including the Confirmation of my wife), I can not and do not support or agree with Monsignor on this. However, unlike so many of you tend to do - I won't be calling for his head any time soon. The decision of whether or not to excommunicate him is not in our hands. All we can do is pray for him and pray that his "followers" recognize that his church/center is not the ONE, TRUE Church of Christ - the Catholic Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleFan Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 [quote name='jmjtina' post='1424722' date='Nov 25 2007, 06:38 PM']True Worship is only done in the Mass.[/quote] So we're not supposed to worship outside of Mass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopeClementI(MorClemis) Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 Who said that? You can worship in your house, but that is not a replacement for the Divine Liturgy, aka Mass. This center's worship is basically equivalent to praying in your house or when you say grace before a meal, nothing wrong with either of those two, unless someone thinks that their home prayer is enough and Mass is therefore unnecessary. [quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1425250' date='Nov 26 2007, 04:58 PM']So we're not supposed to worship outside of Mass?[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prose Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 This thread makes me sad. I don't see anything wrong with having organized gatherings to just praise God together. This is how you can sometimes reach people who are not in the Church. I don't think it is anywhere near forming another Church. And LifeTeen can not be slammed because a leader has been an evil person. The Church has had evil popes in the past, that does not mean it is wrong. People here are way too all or nothing. God exists and can be praised and worshiped everywhere. If not, I am of the wrong faith. There is a special place and type of this at Mass that supercedes all others, but does not exclude them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 [quote name='inDEED' post='1425223' date='Nov 26 2007, 03:23 PM']However, unlike so many of you tend to do - I won't be calling for his head any time soon. The decision of whether or not to excommunicate him is not in our hands. All we can do is pray for him and pray that his "followers" recognize that his church/center is not the ONE, TRUE Church of Christ - the Catholic Church.[/quote] i hope it doesn't sound like i'm doing that. i'm just saying it is scandalous to support this 'church'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prose Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 Why? Because he does it on Sundays? Because he is an evil man? What is the reason that it is scandalous? Because he "left" the priesthood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjtina Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 [quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1425250' date='Nov 26 2007, 04:58 PM']So we're not supposed to worship outside of Mass?[/quote] Worship, in it's truest sense is only in the sacrifice of the Mass. In other words, Jesus is present in body and blood at Mass, not your house. *end hijack* And Prose, I believe most people don't have anything against a non-denominational church and it's willingness to bring Christ to others. It's the fact that a Catholic priest, in the midst of trial during a scandalous period, would start this so-called "church". That's what makes the picture so wrong and is what is causing greater scandal in an already difficult situation. They need prayers. It is heartbreaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 [quote name='jmjtina' post='1425291' date='Nov 26 2007, 04:54 PM']It's the fact that a Catholic priest, in the midst of trial during a scandalous period, would start this so-called "church". That's what makes the picture so wrong and is what is causing greater scandal in an already difficult situation. They need prayers. It is heartbreaking.[/quote] what she said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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