Infant Baptism

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Justin86' post='1430522' date='Dec 6 2007, 07:40 AM']Months, actually.[/quote]

Can. 867 - §1. Parentes obligatione tenentur curandi ut infantes intra priores hebdomadas baptizentur; quam primum post nativitatem, immo iam ante eam, parochum adeant ut sacramentum pro filio petant et debite ad illud praeparentur.
§2. Si infans in periculo mortis versetur, sine ulla mora baptizetur.

hebdomad.as N 1 1 ACC P F
hebdomada, hebdomadae N (1st) F [XXXFO] veryrare
7; group of seven; end of 7 day period; fever with 7 day period; each 7th day;
week, seven days; Jewish week, one Sabbath to next; weekly gathering/duty rota;
hebdomad.as N 3 7 ACC P F
hebdomas, hebdomados/is N F [XXXDO] lesser
7; group of seven; end of 7 day period; fever with 7 day period; each 7th day;
week, seven days; Jewish week, one Sabbath to next; weekly gathering/duty rota;

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Archaeology cat' post='1430496' date='Dec 6 2007, 03:56 AM']Yeah, my parish had the communal class, but then the actual baptism is private. We've had the date of the baptism chosen for quite a while, to make sure we had it down, and to give our families time to get plane tickets if they wished. [/quote]interesting. here you have to have the baptism at regular Sunday Mass unless you request otherwise.

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1430831' date='Dec 7 2007, 04:21 PM']Can. 867 - §1. Parentes obligatione tenentur curandi ut infantes intra priores hebdomadas baptizentur; quam primum post nativitatem, immo iam ante eam, parochum adeant ut sacramentum pro filio petant et debite ad illud praeparentur.
§2. Si infans in periculo mortis versetur, sine ulla mora baptizetur.

hebdomad.as N 1 1 ACC P F
hebdomada, hebdomadae N (1st) F [XXXFO] veryrare
7; group of seven; end of 7 day period; fever with 7 day period; each 7th day;
week, seven days; Jewish week, one Sabbath to next; weekly gathering/duty rota;
hebdomad.as N 3 7 ACC P F
hebdomas, hebdomados/is N F [XXXDO] lesser
7; group of seven; end of 7 day period; fever with 7 day period; each 7th day;
week, seven days; Jewish week, one Sabbath to next; weekly gathering/duty rota;[/quote]
like Icey said, some of us are put in a position where we can't get it done within a few weeks. why did you repost in Latin?

[Norseman82]

Sometimes individual parishes limit the times to once or twice a month, or they put up obstacles. Example: when my cousin wanted to have his kid baptized, he was made to wait a long time, and part of it was due to the fact that the pastor was for all practical purposes doing a "background check" on his brother, whom he wanted as godfather (the cousin lived out of state, and I think the pastor was requesting a reference from the "home parish" attesting to his brother's involvement in the parish or something of the like).

[quote name='Lil Red' post='1430832' date='Dec 7 2007, 05:25 PM']why did you repost in Latin?[/quote]

Some people have a need to "show off" their knowledge.

[Noel's angel]

Or their great copy and paste skills...

[KnightofChrist]

Still even if a parish wants people to wait around to the next go round doesnt mean you should. What I would do if that was the case with my parish I wouldnt just stand by and wait. I would first ask for a private one, if that failed call every Priest within a 20 mile radius, then 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, and so on... Until I found a priest willing to do what was necessary for my child.

[Catholictothecore]

[quote name='Lil Red' post='1430413' date='Dec 5 2007, 11:31 PM']documentation please, that there is a declared timeline and that it is a mortal sin if you do not baptize within a certain timeframe[/quote]

If a Catholic parent willingly neglects the baptsim of his or her child, it is a mortal sin. It is NOT if they don't know. Remember, three things to be a mortal sin. Seriously wrong, know it's seriously wrong, and do it anyways.

That being said, baptize the baby as soon as possible, and don't worry. You're hearts where God sees you, and it's in the right place.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1430998' date='Dec 7 2007, 09:16 PM']Still even if a parish wants people to wait around to the next go round doesnt mean you should. What I would do if that was the case with my parish I wouldnt just stand by and wait. I would first ask for a private one, if that failed call every Priest within a 20 mile radius, then 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, and so on... Until I found a priest willing to do what was necessary for my child.[/quote]
many people don't know that they can request a private baptism. if the general consensus is that you have to wait to do it until the next time is, the majority of people won't question that. i only knew better because i work for the church.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Catholictothecore' post='1431003' date='Dec 7 2007, 09:22 PM']If a Catholic parent willingly neglects the baptsim of his or her child, it is a mortal sin. It is NOT if they don't know. Remember, three things to be a mortal sin. Seriously wrong, know it's seriously wrong, and do it anyways.

That being said, baptize the baby as soon as possible, and don't worry. You're hearts where God sees you, and it's in the right place.[/quote]
i meant documentation that it's a mortal sin that you have to baptize within a certain time frame, not that you could skip getting your kid baptized. i know that's not right.

[Catholictothecore]

one second;

can't find anything outright, but that could also be because the Vatican site, not to mention all the other sites out there on the Faith, are huge and I can't search them all.

Also remember that sin is subjective, even if truth is not. If someone has a sin that is so habitual they hate it, yet find themselves doing it time and time again, it is not as serious, because their heart is not in it. This is not permission to sin, though.

[Seven77]

Catholictothecore,

it is/should be common knowledge that [i]"neglecting"[/i] a child's baptism is wrong.

i think you meant [i]"delaying for long time"[/i]...that might not be common knowledge that it is seriously wrong. needs to be preached more--i didn't know that myself (i could have easily suspected it though).

[qfnol31]

I thought that almost everything was poorly translated into English.

Personally, I would use Latin if the question comes up, which it did...Perhaps I'm a showoff.


I don't know if I would say it is a grave sin not to have them Baptized immediately for two reasons:

1) Breaking a canon isn't as grave as breaking many other laws (e.g. Ten Commandments, etc).

2) The old (poor) practice was to wait until the child was an adult. St. Augustine blessedly lead to this being changed. Of course, we have a better understanding of Original Sin because of him, but even that isn't completely defined (e.g. the Eastern Catholic Churches). Likewise, I doubt most parents fulfill the other two requirements: full consent and full knowledge. If they had full knowledge, would they really postpone? Methinks not.


Now, I also disagree with Baptisms during Mass. They should use the private Rite (and maybe even the old Rite, which is now legitimate?)

Anyways, my .02.

Edited January 11, 2008 by qfnol31

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='qfnol31' post='1444663' date='Jan 11 2008, 03:33 PM']I thought that almost everything was poorly translated into English.

Personally, I would use Latin if the question comes up, which it did...Perhaps I'm a showoff.
I don't know if I would say it is a grave sin not to have them Baptized immediately for two reasons:

1) Breaking a canon isn't as grave as breaking many other laws (e.g. Ten Commandments, etc).

2) The old (poor) practice was to wait until the child was an adult. St. Augustine blessedly lead to this being changed. Of course, we have a better understanding of Original Sin because of him, but even that isn't completely defined (e.g. the Eastern Catholic Churches). Likewise, I doubt most parents fulfill the other two requirements: full consent and full knowledge. If they had full knowledge, would they really postpone? Methinks not.
Now, I also disagree with Baptisms during Mass. They should use the private Rite (and maybe even the old Rite, which is now legitimate?)

Anyways, my .02.[/quote]

1) In addition to disobeying the CIC (which is a grave matter, btw) not baptizing the child very soon after its birth if a violation of the Fourth Commandment because it is a violation of parental duties as well as the Fifth Commandment as if the child were to die before being baptized, its eternal salvation would be at stake.

2) Infant baptism is an apostolic practice and doctrine.

P.S. the 1962 liturgical books were always legitimate: "et numquam abrogatam" (cf. Summ. Pont. art. 1)

Edited January 12, 2008 by StThomasMore