Dismas Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Okay, now we have all heard me state that McCain will flame out and we'll be stuck with a Dem pres and a Dem congress with super-majority. Today was the great Wisconsin primary. I had never believed this would have happened... I...ugh...I... I voted for .... ...okay I feel sick... ...Hillary Clinton. I then parked my car, walked to a tavern, and drank Jim Beam like it was water. I still wonder if it is so cold because hell did just freeze over, or if I died and am now in Cocytus. I'm about to take a long hot shower. Ugh! At least she will have a smaller margin of victory than Obama, and be more easily defeated in 2012. I still feel ill. P.S. How do I break it to my dear saintly mother that I voted for that reptilian witch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 [quote name='Dismas' post='1465880' date='Feb 19 2008, 10:07 PM']Okay, now we have all heard me state that McCain will flame out and we'll be stuck with a Dem pres and a Dem congress with super-majority. Today was the great Wisconsin primary. I had never believed this would have happened... I...ugh...I... I voted for .... ...okay I feel sick... ...Hillary Clinton. I then parked my car, walked to a tavern, and drank Jim Beam like it was water. I still wonder if it is so cold because hell did just freeze over, or if I died and am now in Cocytus. I'm about to take a long hot shower. Ugh! At least she will have a smaller margin of victory than Obama, and be more easily defeated in 2012. I still feel ill. P.S. How do I break it to my dear saintly mother that I voted for that reptilian witch?[/quote] I am afraid many years of fasting, penance and self-flagellation are in order for you, my son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dismas Posted February 20, 2008 Author Share Posted February 20, 2008 [quote name='Socrates' post='1465893' date='Feb 19 2008, 09:21 PM']I am afraid many years of fasting, penance and self-flagellation are in order for you, my son.[/quote] Self-flagellation? I was thinking more Franciscan than Opus Dei...not that it will matter when I am martyred for not giving Empress Hillary latria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 What the hell is wrong with you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dismas Posted February 20, 2008 Author Share Posted February 20, 2008 [quote name='hot stuff' post='1465902' date='Feb 19 2008, 09:44 PM']What the hell is wrong with you?[/quote] It's a primary. McCain has a lock on the Republican nomination. Voting in the Republican primary for president does nothing. The Democratic primary is still open. As far as I can tell, Obama is actually more insanely liberal and into baby-killing than Hillary. As a Dem will win the next General Election, I must make sure it's the weaker Dem. Obama is far more charismatic and competent than Hillary. It would be easier to block idiotic, liberal legislation in an inept Clinton presidency than an Obama presidency. Also, Obama might manage a second term somehow, possibly by shifting blame on his failures onto conservatives. Wow...Hillary actually the lesser of two evils...that's scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 This is so bass awkward thinking You cannot commit evil for an eventual good. I'm getting really tired of so called conservatives Catholics separating their faith from their politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dismas Posted February 20, 2008 Author Share Posted February 20, 2008 [quote name='hot stuff' post='1465906' date='Feb 19 2008, 10:03 PM']This is so bass awkward thinking You cannot commit evil for an eventual good. I'm getting really tired of so called conservatives Catholics separating their faith from their politics.[/quote] So tell me, how does me voting for McCain in a primary, where the Republican ticket is assured, help anything whatsoever? Does McCain gain magical "life points" by having extra primary votes thrown at him? No. The simple fact is that the Republican contest is over. Like it or hate it, it's over. Thus, I am forced to consider a secondary objective: to force a weaker candidate for my enemy, which is Hillary Lucifer Clinton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 [quote name='Dismas' post='1465909' date='Feb 19 2008, 10:12 PM']So tell me, how does me voting for McCain in a primary, where the Republican ticket is assured, help anything whatsoever? Does McCain gain magical "life points" by having extra primary votes thrown at him? No. The simple fact is that the Republican contest is over. Like it or hate it, it's over. Thus, I am forced to consider a secondary objective: to force a weaker candidate for my enemy, which is Hillary Lucifer Clinton.[/quote] Fine do what you want. But you are going against Church teachings. It has nothing to do with who's got what locked up. It has to do with intention and action. Do you gain magical lifepoints for voting for someone who is amazingly prochoice? Nope you went against your faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercy me Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Actually, was just talking about that with a friend. If Florida has a second vote for the democrat candidate, it might make sense to hold our noses, switch parties and vote for Hillary because we do see her as the more beatable candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dismas Posted February 20, 2008 Author Share Posted February 20, 2008 [quote name='hot stuff' post='1465915' date='Feb 19 2008, 10:24 PM']Fine do what you want. But you are going against Church teachings. It has nothing to do with who's got what locked up. It has to do with intention and action. Do you gain magical lifepoints for voting for someone who is amazingly prochoice? Nope you went against your faith.[/quote] It has been discussed that voting for someone who is pro-life, yet has no chance of winning is not a sin. It has also been discussed that if one votes between two viable candidates, both of which are pro-death, one must choose the lesser of the two evils. By choosing John McCain in the General Election, one chooses a candidate who is not pro-life (ESCR), yet is less damaging towards life without sinning. I chose between two viable candidates to alter the outcome of the presumptive victor of the General Election, as the Republican Party has about as much chance in 2008 as the Libertarian Party. As such, support for John McCain is equally indefensible when provided with a pro-life third party alternative. By condemning me for triangulating against pro-death, you condemn yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkwright Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 This is all looking more and more like the 'ends justifying the means'. It doesn't matter what the goal is, someone who is that pro-choice should not receive a vote from a Catholic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 [quote name='Dismas' post='1465926' date='Feb 19 2008, 10:51 PM']It has been discussed that voting for someone who is pro-life, yet has no chance of winning is not a sin. It has also been discussed that if one votes between two viable candidates, both of which are pro-death, one must choose the lesser of the two evils. By choosing John McCain in the General Election, one chooses a candidate who is not pro-life (ESCR), yet is less damaging towards life without sinning. I chose between two viable candidates to alter the outcome of the presumptive victor of the General Election, as the Republican Party has about as much chance in 2008 as the Libertarian Party. As such, support for John McCain is equally indefensible when provided with a pro-life third party alternative. By condemning me for triangulating against pro-death, you condemn yourself.[/quote] You're a maroon. You do not vote for a pro death candidate if you're Catholic. Period end of statement. You are doing an evil to promote an eventual good. We do not do that ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 [quote name='rkwright' post='1465928' date='Feb 19 2008, 11:00 PM']This is all looking more and more like the 'ends justifying the means'. It doesn't matter what the goal is, someone who is that pro-choice should not receive a vote from a Catholic.[/quote] See Dismas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XIX Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 On what planet is Hilary Clinton less pro-abortion than another candidate? This was the woman who not only voted against the partial birth abortion law, but also said that the passing of the bill "stabbed women in the back." It's hard to get worse than that--the region to the left of Hilary Clinton barely exists at all as it relates to social issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Daddy Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 (edited) It's a primary. And an open primary at that. Take it easy. Sackcloth and flogging. Edited February 20, 2008 by Lounge Daddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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