Obama, The Anti-christ?

[dairygirl4u2c]

i remember onea the letters in the bible,,, saying that the anti christ is one who denies that christ came in the flesh. obama's a christian,,, tho admittedly we don't know what his heart is.
look up flesh, christ antichrst etc,, and i'm sure you'd find that verse.
1 John 4:3 i think this is it
i'm surprised no articles mentioned it,,, etc here yet, but that's usually what you get when you have people just throwing out random claims

[peregrinus_WA]

Anti-Christ? No.

However, there is a Hitlereque air around Obama and that makes him dangerous

[MissScripture]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' post='1629333' date='Aug 16 2008, 10:17 PM']ha, kujo's just laying the smack down.
it's hard to believe anyone would take the claims seriously as alk is doing.
it's almost not worth dignifiying with a response... but...

[b]the only thing that obama has against him, is that he's born a muslim,[/b] and maybe, just maybe, that has some sympathies to the muslims issues in israel etc. any sane person would have sympathies.
so really, it's just that he's being born muslim. nothing he had a choice in.

also, the list he provides,,, of prophecies or whatever,,, have no source so we don't know where they're suppose to come from. as typical with claims,,, that his mother was white is just a retroactive way to say it meets the white horse thing. there's always ways to ratioanlize a prophecy. and the other claims have no clear connection to obama,,,, or are just unfounded statments (obama will do X. why is is that he'll do X? who knows)[/quote]
That's hardly the ONLY thing he has against him.

[Akalyte]

Typical.

[kafka]

lame

[lilac_angel]

[quote name='Akalyte' post='1628874' date='Aug 16 2008, 12:01 PM']I know this might get deleted or locked but, im convinced he is the anti-christ, especially after reading all of this:
[url="http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/"]http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/[/url].



This is truly frightening. My in laws are voting for him. [/quote]

I had been worried about that myself, especially since most of my in laws are likely voting for him too. With his most radical stance on abortion and seeming disdain for any element of traditional Christianity, he at very least seems like [i]an[/i] antichrist.

A Chicago newspaper had a picture of one of his rallies where an artist literally made a sculpture of him with robes draped over him like Christ. The crowds look hypnotized, they look like they're in a trance. Some people say they will vote for him because he makes them cry, he represents hope and inspiraiton, a spiritual movement. If that's not charisma, which is an antichrist Key Trait, I dunno what is.

I think I read additional Biblical prophecies cited that seemed even more specific to the man, and I thought I bookmarked them, but apparently not... Maybe if I find them, we can discuss 'em here & perhaps some of my fears can be put to rest... or not!! dun dun dunnnn.

I also remember seeing someone point out a huge amount of Nostradamus prophecies that *really* implicated him, but he wasn't Catholic so I don't know.

It's quite amazing how polarizing of a presence he is now, even though he's not even president.

Edited August 17, 2008 by lilac_angel

[kujo]

Lame.

This is [i]seriously[/i] stupid.

[kafka]

[quote name='kujo' post='1629630' date='Aug 17 2008, 01:19 PM']Lame.

This is [i]seriously[/i] stupid.[/quote]


could this be moved to the lame board so we can chop it like hamburger

[kujo]

[quote name='kafka' post='1629633' date='Aug 17 2008, 02:21 PM']

could this be moved to the lame board so we can chop it like hamburger[/quote]

Word.

[White Knight]

[quote name='Akalyte' post='1628874' date='Aug 16 2008, 01:01 PM']I know this might get deleted or locked but, im convinced he is the anti-christ, especially after reading all of this:
[url="http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/"]http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/[/url].



This is truly frightening. My in laws are voting for him. [/quote]



For hunrdreds, and even close to two thousand years there has been too much emphasis placed on who or when the Anti-Christ will come, the anti-christ will come whenever, knowone knows for sure, its like the Second Coming of Christ, stop trying to predict the day and the hour for no one will ever know when it will happen for sure. Just accept the fact that, the Anti-Christ, and the Second Coming of Christ will happen, just let time do its thing, and stop trying to predict who the person is, and when the time will come.

I believe in Christ's Second Coming, but I also believe that what he said was true, that no one knows, when its going to happen, but I accept the fact that it is going to happen, and soon. God's time not ours.

I believe in the Anti-Christ, I just dont know when, or if he exists yet, nor will I ever know, I can only hope that I'm not alive when he is here. Plus Satan is defeated anyway, all he can do is tempt us, Our Lord Jesus, suffered greatly on a manatuide that no one can fathome, Jesus, won over, Sin and Death, and Satan, on Good Friday, and Rose again on the third day after His death, and Ascended into Heaven 40 days later, and Tradition and Scripture tell us, that He will come again the same as He went. However we also know that Jesus Himself said no [u][b]one knows [/b][/u] the day, nor the hour, [u][b]not man,[/b][/u] not the angels, not the Son, [u][b]only the Father.[/b][/u]


The whole point is,[color="#0000FF"] [size=4][u][b]Obama is not the Anti-Christ.[/b][/u][/size][/color]


[size=4][i][color="#FF0000"][b]I'm not voting for him, and I still know hes not the Anti-Christ.[/b][/color][/i][/size]

Edited August 17, 2008 by White Knight

[lilac_angel]

[quote name='White Knight' post='1629746' date='Aug 17 2008, 01:53 PM']For hunrdreds, and even close to two thousand years there has been too much emphasis placed on who or when the Anti-Christ will come, the anti-christ will come whenever, knowone knows for sure, its like the Second Coming of Christ, stop trying to predict the day and the hour for no one will ever know when it will happen for sure. Just accept the fact that, the Anti-Christ, and the Second Coming of Christ will happen, just let time do its thing, and stop trying to predict who the person is, and when the time will come.

I believe in Christ's Second Coming, but I also believe that what he said was true, that no one knows, when its going to happen, but I accept the fact that it is going to happen, and soon. God's time not ours.

I believe in the Anti-Christ, I just dont know when, or if he exists yet, nor will I ever know, I can only hope that I'm not alive when he is here. Plus Satan is defeated anyway, all he can do is tempt us, Our Lord Jesus, suffered greatly on a manatuide that no one can fathome, Jesus, won over, Sin and Death, and Satan, on Good Friday, and Rose again on the third day after His death, and Ascended into Heaven 40 days later, and Tradition and Scripture tell us, that He will come again the same as He went. However we also know that Jesus Himself said no [u][b]one knows [/b][/u] the day, nor the hour, [u][b]not man,[/b][/u] not the angels, not the Son, [u][b]only the Father.[/b][/u]


The whole point is,[color="#0000FF"] [size=4][u][b]Obama is not the Anti-Christ.[/b][/u][/size][/color]


[size=4][i][color="#FF0000"][b]I'm not voting for him, and I still know hes not the Anti-Christ.[/b][/color][/i][/size][/quote]

Saying we can't know for sure when Christ will return and shouldn't overspeculate (which is true) is not the same thing as proving that Obama is not the Anti-Christ. If the Antichrist will be well-known, some people will naturally wonder. No one knows the day that Christ will return, true. He was talking about His own return, not the coming of the Antichrist (or, for that matter, [i]an[/i] antichrist) in that last passage.

[MissScripture]

[quote name='lilac_angel' post='1629788' date='Aug 17 2008, 02:20 PM']Saying we can't know for sure when Christ will return and shouldn't overspeculate (which is true) is not the same thing as proving that Obama is not the Anti-Christ. If the Antichrist will be well-known, some people will naturally wonder. No one knows the day that Christ will return, true. He was talking about His own return, not the coming of the Antichrist (or, for that matter, [i]an[/i] antichrist) in that last passage.[/quote]
Not only does it not prove Obama is not the Anti-Christ, it also means that you can't say for sure Obama ISN'T the Anti-Christ.

[lilac_angel]

[quote name='MissScripture' post='1629791' date='Aug 17 2008, 02:23 PM']Not only does it not prove Obama is not the Anti-Christ, it also means that you can't say for sure Obama ISN'T the Anti-Christ.[/quote]

[kafka]

this is flirting with the absurd. Obama and his situation and rise politics matches none of the descriptions of Antichrist found in Sacred Scripture.

[kujo]

How is it possible to argue with someone whose position is "how do you know he is NOT the anti-Christ?"

I mean, the guy at the bodega near me is pretty popular, seems peaceful and has a Muslim name. How do I know [i]he[/i] isn't the anti-Christ?