MissScripture Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 [quote name='kujo' post='1629816' date='Aug 17 2008, 02:58 PM']How is it possible to argue with someone whose position is "how do you know he is NOT the anti-Christ?" I mean, the guy at the bodega near me is pretty popular, seems peaceful and has a Muslim name. How do I know [i]he[/i] isn't the anti-Christ?[/quote] That's not my problem, now is it? All I'm saying is that one can't argue that one KNOWS he isn't the Anti-Christ by saying that no one knows who the Anti-Christ is. One could say it is highly doubtable, and give reason why, but to conclusively say that he ISN'T the Anti-Christ would be incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 [quote name='MissScripture' post='1629821' date='Aug 17 2008, 05:04 PM']That's not my problem, now is it? All I'm saying is that one can't argue that one KNOWS he isn't the Anti-Christ by saying that no one knows who the Anti-Christ is. One could say it is highly doubtable, and give reason why, but to conclusively say that he ISN'T the Anti-Christ would be incorrect.[/quote] Miss....are you the anti-Christ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissScripture Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 [quote name='kujo' post='1629824' date='Aug 17 2008, 03:05 PM']Miss....are you the anti-Christ?[/quote] Wouldn't you like to know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 You [b]could[/b] be. We can't rule it out. This is how stupid this line of reasoning is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kafka Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 (edited) Seriously though if one were living in the time of Antichrist and a faithful Christian who has good knowledge of Scripture and Eschatology he would be able to figure that yes this particular person is the Antichrist. Obama fits none of the descriptions of Antichrist in Scripture, therefore he is not the Antichrist. We must fall back on Tradition, Scripture, and Magisterium for these matters, not some as already pointed out by Kujo and I lame-strawman-absurd reasoning. Edited August 17, 2008 by kafka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissScripture Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 [quote name='kujo' post='1629836' date='Aug 17 2008, 03:16 PM']You [b]could[/b] be. We can't rule it out. This is how stupid this line of reasoning is.[/quote] I really don't see how it is stupid to not rule out things that are possible. Like I said, I have no problem with people saying it's not likely, but to say conclusively that it is NOT possible when it is, seems far stupider to me than this line of reasoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kafka Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 (edited) [quote name='MissScripture' post='1629844' date='Aug 17 2008, 04:23 PM']I really don't see how it is stupid to not rule out things that are possible. Like I said, I have no problem with people saying it's not likely, but to say conclusively that it is NOT possible when it is, seems far stupider to me than this line of reasoning.[/quote] but one can say so conclusively (read my post above) Obama matches none of the descriptions of Antichrist found in Sacred Scripture and Catholic Eschatology, therefore definitively he is not Antichrist, since Sacred Scripture is infallible. Edited August 17, 2008 by kafka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 [quote name='MissScripture' post='1629844' date='Aug 17 2008, 05:23 PM']I really don't see how it is stupid to not rule out things that are possible. Like I said, I have no problem with people saying it's not likely, but to say conclusively that it is NOT possible when it is, seems far stupider to me than this line of reasoning.[/quote] I don't spend much time thinking about something so obviously unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 [quote name='kafka' post='1629843' date='Aug 17 2008, 05:23 PM']Seriously though if one were living in the time of Antichrist and a faithful Christian who has good knowledge of Scripture and Eschatology he would be able to figure that yes this particular person is the Antichrist. Obama fits none of the descriptions of Antichrist in Scripture, therefore he is not the Antichrist. We must fall back on Tradition, Scripture, and Magisterium for these matters, not some as already pointed out by Kujo and I lame-strawman-absurd reasoning.[/quote] [quote name='kafka' post='1629846' date='Aug 17 2008, 05:27 PM']but one can say so conclusively (read my post above) Obama matches none of the descriptions of Antichrist found in Sacred Scripture and Catholic Eschatology, therefore definitively he is not Antichrist, since Sacred Scripture is infallible.[/quote] Could you post some of this evidence so that people can be removed from the state of ignorance they are in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilac_angel Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 [quote name='kafka' post='1629846' date='Aug 17 2008, 03:27 PM']but one can say so conclusively (read my post above) Obama matches none of the descriptions of Antichrist found in Sacred Scripture and Catholic Eschatology, therefore definitively he is not Antichrist, since Sacred Scripture is infallible.[/quote] has anyone shown here how he definitely does not match them? i didn't see anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 Can you give me some ideas on who the Anti-Christ might be? I mean, as Kafka says, those who are living faithful Christian lives will be able to know him....but I for one, don't spend my waking moments wondering "is so and so" the anti-Christ? I truly believe the anti-Christ will be the one the Jews come to believe is the true messiah. And the rest of the world will follow suit. The Bible says that even some of "the elect" will be fooled. My ideas may seem a little anti-Semitic to some...but I don't mean them to be. In this regard, I do not believe Obama to be the anti-Christ, but a real trickster, someone claiming to be Christian, yet supports infanticide. A deceiver...but not the Anti-Christ. Unless Jerusalem makes him their king... ...he could be a prophet of the anti-Christ....but that's a whole other thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kafka Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 [quote name='lilac_angel' post='1629864' date='Aug 17 2008, 04:36 PM']has anyone shown here how he definitely does not match them? i didn't see anything.[/quote] I might explain if people keep on taking this seriously, but if I dont get to it, you'll have to read Scripture itself. He is found in all the Major and Minor Prophets, Revelation, and Saint Paul. Antiochus Epiphanes was a prophetic type of him and so was Mannaseh. Plus other events must occur before his rise. The tribulation is a long sequence of events. Study the Bible and Catholic eschatology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 [quote name='dominicansoul' post='1629869' date='Aug 17 2008, 05:41 PM']I truly believe the anti-Christ will be the one the Jews come to believe is the true messiah. And the rest of the world will follow suit.[/quote] Isn't Obama having a hard time courting the Jewish vote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kafka Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 [quote name='dominicansoul' post='1629869' date='Aug 17 2008, 04:41 PM']Can you give me some ideas on who the Anti-Christ might be? I mean, as Kafka says, those who are living faithful Christian lives will be able to know him....but I for one, don't spend my waking moments wondering "is so and so" the anti-Christ? I truly believe the anti-Christ will be the one the Jews come to believe is the true messiah. And the rest of the world will follow suit. The Bible says that even some of "the elect" will be fooled. My ideas may seem a little anti-Semitic to some...but I don't mean them to be. In this regard, I do not believe Obama to be the anti-Christ, but a real trickster, someone claiming to be Christian, yet supports infanticide. A deceiver...but not the Anti-Christ. Unless Jerusalem makes him their king... ...he could be a prophet of the anti-Christ....but that's a whole other thread![/quote] no he isnt even a prophet of Antichrist, he is not the false prophet, nor a forerunner. Antichrist will be born in Syria he is more than once figuratively mentioned as Assur in the Bible. His rise will begin through military victories at a young age, not some false sort of deception or trickery. Read the Secret of La Salette, the Major and Minor Prophets and Revelation to learn more about him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 [quote name='kujo' post='1629873' date='Aug 17 2008, 03:44 PM']Isn't Obama having a hard time courting the Jewish vote?[/quote] I'm not sure....I took the actions of the Jewish seminarian in Jerusalem sort of as a sign that the Jewish community is a bit weary of him...but you can't really judge anything in general from the actions of just a few... I'm not really keeping up to date on this election. As far as I can see, we're screwed. I'm just praying now, man! That's all we can really do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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