Obama, The Anti-christ?

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='kujo' post='1630540' date='Aug 18 2008, 12:58 PM']First off, no one has attacked Akalyte personally. Being the person who has expressed the most disgust with this subject, I know that I have just commented that his opinion is silly.[/quote]

You brought up that you were worried about what others will think of this thread, I thought that perhaps you would like to review yourself and what you've said here, which could effect negatively others who visit here.

[quote name='kujo' post='1630540' date='Aug 18 2008, 12:58 PM']Secondly, I have the right to post anything I want. I don't have to post articles or sources or present "counter arguments" to something like this. If someone came on here and started a thread that said "It appears that dogs and cats are the same thing," would we have to cite scholars to dispute that claim?[/quote]

You do indeed but so does Akalyte, and from what I see you would like him not to talk about this subject, which would be contradictory. This is the debate board one person offers a argument if one disagrees with it they should offer a counter argument. If someone thinks it is so crazy not to respond with counter arguments backed with sources then its not worth posting in the first place.

[quote name='kujo' post='1630540' date='Aug 18 2008, 12:58 PM']Thirdly, I am aware that "the anti-Christ" will appear. But, as others have taken the time to post reasons why Obama is NOT that person, I tend to agree and have placed it in the "Not concerned about this right now" file in my brain. Sure, [i]anything[/i] is possible, but that is not a valid argument. He [i]could[/i] be "the anti-Christ."Chances are, though, that he's not.[/quote]

So you do believe he could be, the difference is it's your opinion that its something not be be concerned about but Akalyte seems to believe it is something to be concerned about, I see nothing wrong here. Again the topic of some future leader being the anti-christ will have to be discussed because there will be one. I am afraid that when that time comes others will argue as you have.

[quote name='kujo' post='1630540' date='Aug 18 2008, 12:58 PM']Finally, I think the term "anti-Christ" is a loaded term, especially in the manner it is being used here. I feel like it's nothing more than a label used to dismiss people. Of course, anyone who supports abortion in any way is in a state of serious mortal sin, but where is the line drawn? Can we be "anti-Christs" when we turn away from him and choose the things of this world over His amazing love for us? I dunno.[/quote]

I think the world would like us to baby it and play nicey nice and not say mean words like anti-christ heretic, heathen, and sinner. The truth is rather hash at times and it hurts but we should not water down truth to make people feel good. Obama is an anti-christ, the term used is not to dismiss him but a warning to beware of him. Its when we reject some foundational truth of Christianity where one becomes a anti-christ. When we sin we are anti-christain.

[MakeYouThink]

[quote name='Winchester' post='1630996' date='Aug 18 2008, 07:33 PM']There is no "the" antichrist. That makes this thread kind of ridiculous. There are many antichrists--revelations has happened is happening and will happen.[/quote]

That is very true. And was, is, and will come.

[saved by grace]

How could he be the antichrist when he states that Jesus Christ is his lord and savior ?
2 John 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world. They refuse to acknowledge Jesus the Messiah as having become human. Any such person is a deceiver and an antichrist.

He doesnt fit this category, pretty simple isnt it ?

[KnightofChrist]

How can he truly believe Christ is his savior when he rejects Christ through the Abortion Holocaust?

[Selah]

Exactly. he contradicts himself. You can't justify the murder of millions of babies, I'm sorry.

[saved by grace]

Ok we'll im not gonna sit here and judge his soul i'll leave that up to you. According to Gods word he cant be a antichrist because he acknowleges Jesus came in the flesh. Furthermore he states that he's a christian. You can judge his heart if you want i'll leave that up to God though. Peace

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='saved by grace' post='1631079' date='Aug 18 2008, 07:19 PM']Ok we'll im not gonna sit here and judge his soul i'll leave that up to you. According to Gods word he cant be a antichrist because he acknowleges Jesus came in the flesh. Furthermore he states that he's a christian. You can judge his heart if you want i'll leave that up to God though. Peace[/quote]

Your misrepresenting my argument. Even the demons in hell believe but their still in hell.

[saved by grace]

[font="Arial Black"]But were talking about if he is a antichrist are we not ?[/font]

And if you believe Gods word he cant be a antichrist because a.) he is a christian b.) he believes Jesus came in the flesh
I dont see what is so confuseing about that. If you want to say he's not really a christian or whatever then go ahead. But according to Gods word he is not an antichrist. As Gods word states an antichrist does not acknowlege that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. Again its a pretty easy concept.

One can argue how good of a christian he is and so forth. Im gonna stick with judge not so I wont be judged. Im not gonna vote for the man and I hope he doesnt become president, but he's not an antichrist. The bible lays out what an antichrist is and he doesnt fit the bill.

Edited August 19, 2008 by saved by grace

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1631028' date='Aug 18 2008, 05:54 PM']How can he truly believe Christ is his savior when he rejects Christ through the Abortion Holocaust?[/quote]
Not all Christian sects believe abortion is the most important issue ever.

[Akalyte]

[quote name='saved by grace' post='1631100' date='Aug 18 2008, 08:29 PM'][font="Arial Black"]But were talking about if he is a antichrist are we not ?[/font]

And if you believe Gods word he cant be a antichrist because a.) he is a christian b.) he believes Jesus came in the flesh
I dont see what is so confuseing about that. If you want to say he's not really a christian or whatever then go ahead. But according to Gods word he is not an antichrist. As Gods word states an antichrist does not acknowlege that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. Again its a pretty easy concept.

One can argue how good of a christian he is and so forth. Im gonna stick with judge not so I wont be judged. Im not gonna vote for the man and I hope he doesnt become president, but he's not an antichrist. The bible lays out what an antichrist is and he doesnt fit the bill.[/quote]


I seen a video where Obama was making fun of the christian scriptures in a "christian" church. Making muslims have the time of their life.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='saved by grace' post='1631100' date='Aug 18 2008, 07:29 PM'][font="Arial Black"]But were talking about if he is a antichrist are we not ?[/font]

And if you believe Gods word he cant be a antichrist because a.) he is a christian b.) he believes Jesus came in the flesh
I dont see what is so confuseing about that.[/quote]

A. There are souls in hell who where christian, and B. also believed Christ came in the flesh. One must do more than just believe, faith without works is dead. Obama may believe but his work is dead.

[MakeYouThink]

[quote name='Akalyte' post='1631217' date='Aug 18 2008, 09:43 PM']I seen a video where Obama was making fun of the christian scriptures in a "christian" church. Making muslims have the time of their life.[/quote]

So, I don't need proof of anything to know that Obama is a pawn of the Satanic world, not it's king. I feel it in my gut.

[lilac_angel]

If I hated someone, what would get that point across more, or most effectively? If I killed/maimed them, or if I admitted that I hated them? Even if he's not the antichrist, he'll definitely help in killing the majority of US Christians' idea of Christ.

Edited August 19, 2008 by lilac_angel

[MakeYouThink]

[quote name='lilac_angel' post='1631249' date='Aug 18 2008, 09:07 PM']If I hated someone, what would get that point across more, or most effectively? If I killed/maimed them, or if I admitted that I hated them? Even if he's not the antichrist, he'll definitely help in killing the majority of US Christians' idea of Christ.[/quote]

I agree with that.

But the Anti-Christ will come with power, power enough to fool even the very elect. Has Obama caused any false miracles yet?

[lilac_angel]

[quote name='MakeYouThink' post='1631256' date='Aug 18 2008, 09:12 PM']I agree with that.

But the Anti-Christ will come with power, power enough to fool even the very elect. Has Obama caused any false miracles yet?[/quote]

I thought a lot of people were very surprised at how he became elected due to several factors, including inexperience... so that could be considered a bit of a miracle... coming so quickly and rising to power out of nowhere like that and suddenly having a huge chance at the presidency But other than that, I haven't been following the news much, so I dunno.