Obama, The Anti-christ?

[MakeYouThink]

[quote name='lilac_angel' post='1631261' date='Aug 18 2008, 09:15 PM']I thought a lot of people were very surprised at how he became elected due to several factors, including inexperience... so that could be considered a bit of a miracle... coming so quickly and rising to power out of nowhere like that and suddenly having a huge chance at the presidency But other than that, I haven't been following the news much, so I dunno. [/quote]

The Anti-Christ will have spiritual power. He will be able to overcome the two witness, witnesses who could open they're mouths and consume all those who hurt them in fire.

He could only do so because God has given him the ability to deceive even the very elect with his power. If he was able to perform a false miracle like healing someone, or giving life back to the dead, or anything like that, I would believe. Remember, Satan wants to be just like God, so his son will do all the same things God's son did on the earth. The Anti-Christ will do all the same things Jesus did, and astound everybody. There will be either total obedience or total revolt amongst the people when the true Anti-Christ comes.

[kujo]

I'm done with this thread. I sincerely hope that I am right.

[dairygirl4u2c]

recent comment from obama about being the anti christ
... course,,, you can't really expect the anti christ to admit he's the anti christ, can ya...

[quote]Brody: Let me ask you a little about some of these ads that John McCain has been running not just on television, but on the web. Let's face it, let's call a spade a spade, there has been some Messianic references, there's been some antichrist stuff going on, the celebrity, they're trying to pigeonhole you a certain way. Do you believe this is being done on purpose?

Obama: Well of course it's being done on purpose. They're not spending a whole bunch of money to make me out as a good guy. They're engaging in the kind of politics that I think we've become accustomed to which is you try to tear your opponents down and you engage in sort of slash and burn tactics. And very personal sort of personal character attacks. And one of the challenges for us in this campaign is how do you make sure those attacks are answered quickly and forcefully, but also truthfully and that we don't fall into that same kind of tactic.[/quote]

and some say mccain is putting ads on the internet hinting and perpetuating the myth:
[url="http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-balan/2008/08/15/cnn-forwards-idea-mccain-ad-hints-obama-antichrist"]http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-balan...bama-antichrist[/url]

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='kujo' post='1631348' date='Aug 18 2008, 11:27 PM']I'm done with this thread. I sincerely hope that I am right.[/quote]

I pray that you are right. I also pray that we never have to live in the times of the antichrist. But if we do may we do the will of Jesus Christ.

[Nihil Obstat]

If I'm wrong and Obama is indeed this antichrist, then I will apologize profusely in between escaping from Satan-pawn persecutors.

People keep making some sort of distinction between 'an antichrist' and 'the antichrist'. Can anyone clear this up for me?

[KnightofChrist]

An antichrist is any one person who outright rejects some truth of Christianity, someone who claims to be Christ but is not. The Antichrist will come at the end of time and persecute the Church and her people, until Christ returns from heaven and defeats him.

Here's some more...

[url="http://www.conventhill.com/endtimes/newman.htm"]http://www.conventhill.com/endtimes/newman.htm[/url]

Edited August 19, 2008 by KnightofChrist

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1631370' date='Aug 19 2008, 12:14 AM']An antichrist is any one person who outright rejects some truth of Christianity, someone who claims to be Christ but is not. The Antichrist will come at the end of time and persecute the Church and her people, until Christ returns from heaven and defeats him.

Here's some more...

[url="http://www.conventhill.com/endtimes/newman.htm"]http://www.conventhill.com/endtimes/newman.htm[/url][/quote]
Are both official terms, or is The Antichrist the only official one?
Also, someone (I think Winchester?) mentioned there have been and will be more true antichrists. I'm not nearly as well read of Revelation as I should be, and I didn't understand that either.

[MakeYouThink]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1631374' date='Aug 19 2008, 12:20 AM']Are both official terms, or is The Antichrist the only official one?
Also, someone (I think Winchester?) mentioned there have been and will be more true antichrists. I'm not nearly as well read of Revelation as I should be, and I didn't understand that either.[/quote]

I think the idea he is presenting is that the beast that was, is, and shall come. The beast. I think the Anti-Christ as not a person so much, but a spiritual system that wants to deny Jesus ever existed and is the son of God. The mark you take, therefore, is not a physical mark, but spiritual.

Talk about chips being used to track and control people's buying and selling is a way to be Anti-Christ, as it is God's job to feed us, cloth us, and provide for our needs. Some making sure you can only do so his way, well, you replace yourself before God and Christ, and makes you pretty evil in my books! Therefore, if you take the mark, you are saying to God, I don't have faith you will pull through taking care of my needs, I will do so myself by taking this chip. This, of course, will anger God who said he would take care of you when Jesus said, seek ye first the kingdom of heaven and his righteousness and all these things will be added unto you.

That is why I can say, the moment I see someone trying to tell me how to live my life to that extreme, I will know that person is the final Anti-Christ, because the only person who has the right to tell me how to live is God, because he is perfect! I would surely lay my life down in an instant to oppose that man, gladly, because if Jesus could die on the cross for the worst of sinners, then I can lay my life down to oppose men being God!

[hope4thenew]

Spooky Electric?

[XIX]

lame.

[kafka]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1631374' date='Aug 19 2008, 01:20 AM']Are both official terms, or is The Antichrist the only official one?
Also, someone (I think Winchester?) mentioned there have been and will be more true antichrists. I'm not nearly as well read of Revelation as I should be, and I didn't understand that either.[/quote]
Antichrist is a single person who will rule nearly the entire world for seven years up to the Second Coming of Christ. In Scripture he is given many different names such as: Tribulator, Oppressor, False Accuser, Assur, Lucifer(not to be confused with Satan), dragon, beast. Maybe I will start a thread on him since it is a fascinating subject and very important. The fact that he and the events surrounding him is explained in so many verses in various books in the Bible points to the truth that this is the most important time in the life of the Church. A while back I started a thread on the False Ascension of Antichrist. I will bump it if you want.


Oh and did I mention, Obama is definitively not Antichrist.

[MakeYouThink]

[quote name='kafka' post='1633581' date='Aug 21 2008, 12:37 PM']Antichrist is a single person who will rule nearly the entire world for seven years up to the Second Coming of Christ. In Scripture he is given many different names such as: Tribulator, Oppressor, False Accuser, Assur, Lucifer(not to be confused with Satan), dragon, beast. Maybe I will start a thread on him since it is a fascinating subject and very important. The fact that he and the events surrounding him is explained in so many verses in various books in the Bible points to the truth that this is the most important time in the life of the Church. A while back I started a thread on the False Ascension of Antichrist. I will bump it if you want.


Oh and did I mention, Obama is definitively not Antichrist.[/quote]

The Anti-Christ is not only a person, but a system too, because the Spirit of antichrist has already entered the believers, allowing deceivers to enter to the church and cause confusion.

[quote]And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: [b]and this is that spirit of antichrist[/b], whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 1 John 4:3[/quote]

There is a spirit and it comes to deceive us.

[lilac_angel]

[quote name='MakeYouThink' post='1633600' date='Aug 21 2008, 12:57 PM']The Anti-Christ is not only a person, but a system too, because the Spirit of antichrist has already entered the believers, allowing deceivers to enter to the church and cause confusion.[/quote]

I read a Catholic blog not very long ago that kind of says this (or something very similar) as well and goes into depth about it. Wish I bookmarked it. The Antichrist is also a sort of movement of some sort that is occurring throughout time.

[kafka]

[quote name='MakeYouThink' post='1633600' date='Aug 21 2008, 12:57 PM']The Anti-Christ is not only a person, but a system too, because the Spirit of antichrist has already entered the believers, allowing deceivers to enter to the church and cause confusion.



There is a spirit and it comes to deceive us.[/quote]
Yes very good point. Many false ideas which undermine the teachings of Christ are foreshadowings of Antichrist and the same lead up to his eventual arrival since he is the epitome of all that denies Christ

[MakeYouThink]

[quote name='lilac_angel' post='1633609' date='Aug 21 2008, 01:10 PM']I read a Catholic blog not very long ago that kind of says this (or something very similar) as well and goes into depth about it. Wish I bookmarked it. The Antichrist is also a sort of movement of some sort that is occurring throughout time.[/quote]

Well, the thing is, in the end learning will increase. I realize what it meant is we would start to learn the things that we need to learn about God and the world more and more before the end. It is no wonder people are starting to get this revelation, because we are starting to realize the things people have been focusing on tend to explain only so much, and the world is a whole lot bigger than what we've been taught.

Like, the teaching a chip that someone will implant us with damns us, because it's the mark of the beast. But why? Why does it beaver dam us. But when you think, it's God's job to feed, cloth, and shelter us, we show lack of faith he will supply if we do take the chip, so we place ourselves before God, a big no-no, and therefore men become God because we don't trust him enough. That is a teaching I wish everybody would take heart. We shouldn't put ourselves before God in anything. We should totally rely on him to do what he says he is going to do, because if we don't, then we will find out we will eventually fall for the Mark of the Beast, because we have already decided to take it, therefore we have already taken it.

We are taking steps towards taking over things only God should do, and it is subtle how the proponents of those things will do it. They always make it sound like it is for our own good, while secretly knowing it is just one step closer of us developing spiritual pride and be cast down.