Obama On Palin: " Lipstick On A Pig"

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='StColette' post='1652263' date='Sep 10 2008, 11:32 AM']hmm been around farm animals all of my life and never heard a female pig called that. We usually call them sows. My grandfather raised pigs for the pork industry and I never heard him refer to them as that. I looked up the use of that word for meaning a female pig and its definitely a new use, more urban slang than actually name[/quote]

I grew up on a farm, and worked on many. And at least on those farms, and my grandfather, another name for a female pig other than sow is s**t. There was also a joke made on Seinfeld some years back where there trying to make up a comic strip of a pig making a complaint. The Kramer character states the the complaint should be "My wife is a s**t." Bringing that up has no other purpose than to point out that the word is used for female pigs.

Edited September 10, 2008 by KnightofChrist

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='kenrockthefirst' post='1652271' date='Sep 10 2008, 12:40 PM']Here's why: Republicans ≠ Catholic. As I've stated elsewhere, neither major US political party fully represents Catholic teaching. I also have "principles," including fairness and truth. The truth is, two weeks ago, nobody here was willing to touch McCain with a 10 foot pole. Now he's the Second Coming? As I noted above, name-calling is part of politics. Just because you support one candidate and are willing to look the other way when it's that candidate doing the name-calling doesn't make it right.[/quote]

Even so the Republican party is more in line with Catholic teaching than the Democrat party, there's simply no way around that. And between the candidates themselves only Obama as far as I know of have resorted to [i]playground[/i] politics.

[StColette]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1652276' date='Sep 10 2008, 12:42 PM']I grew up on a farm, and worked on many. And at least on those farms, and my grandfather, another name for a female pig other than sow is s**t. There was also a joke made on Seinfeld some years back where there trying to make up a comic strip of a pig making a complaint. The Kramer character states the the complaint should be "My wife is a s**t." Bringing that up has no other purpose than to point out that the word is used for female pigs.[/quote]

The use of that term could be geographical in nature. Not to defend Obama but to give him the benefit of the doubt, I highly doubt that he was meaning it that way.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='StColette' post='1652284' date='Sep 10 2008, 11:50 AM']The use of that term could be geographical in nature. Not to defend Obama but to give him the benefit of the doubt, I highly doubt that he was meaning it that way.[/quote]

It maybe be a older term, no longer used today. But even if we where to give him such a benefit. He still called her a pig, which is the most dirtiest of animals, it sleeps, eats and lives it's whole life in it's own crapulence.

Edited September 10, 2008 by KnightofChrist

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1652290' date='Sep 10 2008, 10:53 AM']It maybe be a older term, no longer used today. But even if we where to give him such a benefit. He still called her a pig, which is the most dirtiest of animals, it sleeps, eats and lives it's whole life in it's own crapulence.[/quote]
He didn't call her a pig. If anything, he's calling the Republicans pigs and pointing out that just because you put lipstick on it, aka, throw a woman in there, it doesn't change the fact that their tired old policies are not what American's want -- or that is his view of things.

Edited September 10, 2008 by fidei defensor

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1652295' date='Sep 10 2008, 11:57 AM']He didn't call her a pig. If anything, he's calling the Republicans pigs and pointing out that just because you put lipstick on it, aka, throw a woman in there, it doesn't change the fact that their tired old policies are not what American's want -- or that is his view of things.[/quote]

He did so, he made reference to her joke about the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull was lipstick, now he's just trying to weasel and back pedal out of his very sexiest comment.

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1652300' date='Sep 10 2008, 11:01 AM']He did so, he made reference to her joke about the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull was lipstick, now he's just trying to weasel and back pedal out of his very sexiest comment.[/quote]
It doesn't change the fact that it's an adage, meaning it existed long before she made that comment. And for the record, I fail to see how it's sexist.

Besides, who the hell really cares if he called her a pig? Is that seriously the largest issue at stake here? I doubt it.

[Fidei Defensor]

Btw, here is the context of the speech. Notice how he wasn't talking about Sarah Palin anywhere:

"John McCain says he's about change too, and so I guess his whole angle is, 'Watch out George Bush -- except for economic policy, health care policy, tax policy, education policy, foreign policy and Karl Rove-style politics -- we're really going to shake things up in Washington. That's not change. That's just calling something the same thing something different. You know you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig. You know you can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change, it's still going to stink after eight years. We've had enough of the same old thing."

If he was calling her a pig, he sure didn't do a very good job of mentioning here.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1652301' date='Sep 10 2008, 01:03 PM']It doesn't change the fact that it's an adage, meaning it existed long before she made that comment. And for the record, I fail to see how it's sexist.[/quote]

It was used in reference to her joke. period. He's calling the first woman to run for VP a fat dirty animal with lipstick, sounds pretty sexist.

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1652301' date='Sep 10 2008, 01:03 PM']Besides, who the hell really cares if he called her a pig? Is that seriously the largest issue at stake here? I doubt it.[/quote]

Because he is running for the leadership of this country and goes about making sexist comments about women. But yeah it will probably blow over, but it may hurt in the polls... for his own gain perhaps he should learn to think before he speaks.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1652306' date='Sep 10 2008, 12:08 PM']"John McCain says he's about change too, and so I guess his whole angle is, 'Watch out George Bush -- except for economic policy, health care policy, tax policy, education policy, foreign policy and Karl Rove-style politics -- [b]we're[/b] (reference to McCain and Palin) really going to shake things up in Washington. That's not change. That's just calling something the same thing something different. Y[b]ou know you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig.[/b] (reference to Palin's joke) You know you can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change, it's still going to stink after eight years. We've had enough of the same old thing."[/quote]

Obama is just trying to weasel out of a stupid sexiest comment. [b]I'm[/b] not falling for it.

Edited September 10, 2008 by KnightofChrist

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1652307' date='Sep 10 2008, 11:10 AM']It was used in reference to her joke. period. He's calling the first woman to run for VP a fat dirty animal with lipstick, sounds pretty sexist.



Because he is running for the leadership of this country and goes about making sexist comments about women. But yeah it will probably blow over, but it may hurt in the polls... for his own gain perhaps he should learn to think before he speaks.[/quote]
I'm not going to argue with you about this anymore. We are both obviously seeing something different.

I'm looking at the comment in context and I see it as a jab at the republicans, making reference to how if you pretty something up or change its appearance (aka, John McCain as the figurehead instead of George Bush, but still the same policies), it's still the same old. You, on the other hand, are basing your whole opinion on one single word. Sounds air tight

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1652315' date='Sep 10 2008, 12:17 PM']I'm not going to argue with you about this anymore. We are both obviously seeing something different.

I'm looking at the comment in context and I see it as a jab at the republicans, making reference to how if you pretty something up or change its appearance (aka, John McCain as the figurehead instead of George Bush, but still the same policies), it's still the same old. You, on the other hand, are basing your whole opinion on one single word. Sounds air tight [/quote]

Palin in Obama's joke is the 'same old pig' aka Republicans with lipstick. Meaning in his joke those 'pigs' can put a woman up for vp but she is still a pig with lipstick. It's simple math, Palin makes a great speech, and in that speech she makes a joke about hockey moms, pitbulls and lipstick. McCain-Plain's poll rating sky rocket, Obama-Biden's do not. Then to play catch up Obama puts his foot in his mouth, makes a joke about Palin being a pig with lipstick then is not man enough to admit it and apologize.

[IcePrincessKRS]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1651777' date='Sep 9 2008, 09:33 PM']It's not as bad as when McCain blatantly lies about Obama's views, like when he says Obama will raise taxes on everyone. That's a lie, Obama has stated that he will lower taxes for 95% of Americans.[/quote]

And you believed him?


[quote name='SpareTime' post='1652196' date='Sep 10 2008, 11:21 AM']American people voted Bush into office... twice. But yeah considering the alternatives I guess this was the "smarter" choice. [/quote]

Would you rather have had Al Gore as the president? No thanks. I'd vote for GW over him again and again.

[quote name='kenrockthefirst' post='1652271' date='Sep 10 2008, 01:40 PM']The truth is, two weeks ago, nobody here was willing to touch McCain with a 10 foot pole. Now he's the Second Coming?[/quote]

That's absolutely NOT true. If it were there's a large number of "nobodies" here.

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1652295' date='Sep 10 2008, 01:57 PM']He didn't call her a pig. If anything, he's calling the Republicans pigs and pointing out that just because you put lipstick on it, aka, throw a woman in there, it doesn't change the fact that their tired old policies are not what American's want -- or that is his view of things.[/quote]

Not what American's want, huh? The polls seem to say otherwise.

[kamiller42]

[quote name='kenrockthefirst' post='1652271' date='Sep 10 2008, 12:40 PM']Here's why: Republicans ≠ Catholic. As I've stated elsewhere, neither major US political party fully represents Catholic teaching.[/quote]
I think you missed this from my original post.
[quote]Most people are backing a candidate that as [b]closely represents their values[/b]. That would be McCain/Palin.[/quote]

[quote]I also have "principles," including fairness and truth. The truth is, two weeks ago, nobody here was willing to touch McCain with a 10 foot pole. Now he's the Second Coming? As I noted above, name-calling is part of politics. Just because you support one candidate and are willing to look the other way when it's that candidate doing the name-calling doesn't make it right.[/quote]
The truth is two weeks ago, McCain did not have Palin as part his ticket. People know the president and vp comes as a package deal. McCain alone isn't the most appealing package ideologically. The package becomes much more appealing with a VP with values closer to Catholics and will be voicing her opinions based on those values into the president's ear.

You will find truth here, but I don't think you can expect to find your kind of fairness here. If most people here say Stalin committed evil acts, what says we are obligated to argue that he is not such a bad guy for the purpose of fairness?

Edited September 10, 2008 by kamiller42

[SpareTime]

[quote name='kamiller42' post='1652256' date='Sep 10 2008, 11:25 AM']Why would you expect equal opportunity on this board? Members here have principles, and those principles form their opinions. Given this is "phatmass," don't be surprised if many people share the same principles. Most people are backing a candidate that as closely represents their values. That would be McCain/Palin. So why would you expect phatmass a place where Obama would receive equal treatment? Just as there are plenty of sites not giving McCain/Palin equal treatment and sticking by their candidates, many of this site's members are going to stand by their candidate.

In regards to equal treatment and Obama's unending string of gaffes (from a "master orator" no less), I think he is getting equal treatment in the political arena. Remember how the democrats constantly made fun of Quayle's gaffes? President Bush's gaffes? The democrats have made an art out of twisting and sound biting Bush's words. Now the tables turn and democrats cry "foul!" The democrats made this bed. They should lie in it.[/quote]

I could be wrong but I think that Ken was trying to be diplomatic about calling us all out on our hypocrisy. Not saying that we should treat Obama like he deserves equal respect, but, be fair as far as similar actions go. When Obama was ahead in the polls, lots complained about how polls were crud and the people taking the polls must favor Obama. Now that McCain is ahead you see no such poll criticism. It's also about being honest about your disdain. There is a difference between admitting one's bias and just stating flat out that you'll use any opportunity you have to rag on Obama, and pretending that everything Obama (or Biden) does/says/feels must be wrong, while everything McCain (or Palin) does/says/feels must be right.