SpareTime Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 [quote name='fidei defensor' post='1652315' date='Sep 10 2008, 12:17 PM']I'm not going to argue with you about this anymore. We are both obviously seeing something different. I'm looking at the comment in context and I see it as a jab at the republicans, making reference to how if you pretty something up or change its appearance (aka, John McCain as the figurehead instead of George Bush, but still the same policies), it's still the same old. You, on the other hand, are basing your whole opinion on one single word. Sounds air tight [/quote] I agree with you. [b] I had heard the lipstick on a pig reference long before I'd ever heard of Sarah Palin.[/b] Maybe it's a southern/farming thing... but people will use anything they can to rag on Obama, and that is their right, even if it is intellectually dishonest of them to do so. However... Palin did say, and there is a video of this on youtube, that she didn't want people acting like women couldn't hack it in politics or taking it easier on her. She said something along the lines of how women shouldn't expect to be treated differently, and that they just have to work harder and prove themselves. I will look for the clip... it was already posted here on this board within another video, but I doubt anyone watched it because it was video proof that, GASP, republicans can be hypocrites too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Because the pig reference existed before Palin's joke, does not conclude that Obama did not call Palin a pig. The fact is that he did, it is Obama who is being intellectually dishonest for trying to weasel out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1652313' date='Sep 10 2008, 02:16 PM']Obama is just trying to weasel out of a stupid sexiest comment. [b]I'm[/b] not falling for it.[/quote] :rofl: oh man.... not to pick on you for a typo, but you did make it twice and it is EXTREMELY funny lol it could be Obama's sexiest comment EVER. lol (it should be "sexist") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pan!c139 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 WHOOPS. His remarks are sooo not sexy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 on topic though, the "lipstick on a pig" expression refers to trying to cover up something bad by putting somethign nice into it... and it makes perfect sense that Obama's viewpoint is that the McCain campaign was a very ugly pig and Sarah Palin is the lipstick to make it look pretty. that's not me falling for Obama-weaseling either, that's what I immediately thought he meant when I heard the comment, because that's what the expression means. he's not "calling her a pig" (he's calling the republican party and specifically McCain's campaign a pig) but it's still definitely sexist. basically, it's reducing Sarah Palin to her gender by calling her the lipstick on the pig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pan!c139 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 And he didn't make these sexist commentes about Hilary Clinton, did he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpareTime Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1652359' date='Sep 10 2008, 01:53 PM']Because the pig reference existed before Palin's joke, does not conclude that Obama did not call Palin a pig. The fact is that he did, it is Obama who is being intellectually dishonest for trying to weasel out of it.[/quote] Do you know the definition of fact? Because you seem highly confused about it. It is not a FACT as you cannot KNOW with any sort of certainty at all what Obama intended. So perhaps you should say that YOU believe that Obama called her that, but to state that it is a FACT is, as I said, intellectually dishonest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpareTime Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 You guys should watch this. [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVXAt-OjJgc"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVXAt-OjJgc[/url] Another reason to love Sarah Palin. <3 She is strong and she thinks basically all this stuff about sexism is BS and that we should all quit whining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpareTime Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 [quote name='Aloysius' post='1652363' date='Sep 10 2008, 02:02 PM']on topic though, the "lipstick on a pig" expression refers to trying to cover up something bad by putting somethign nice into it... and it makes perfect sense that Obama's viewpoint is that the McCain campaign was a very ugly pig and Sarah Palin is the lipstick to make it look pretty. that's not me falling for Obama-weaseling either, that's what I immediately thought he meant when I heard the comment, because that's what the expression means. [size=4]he's not "calling her a pig"[/size] (he's calling the republican party and specifically McCain's campaign a pig) but it's still definitely sexist. basically, it's reducing Sarah Palin to her gender by calling her the lipstick on the pig.[/quote] Emphasis mine. I agree with you. It is sexist to say she's only good for her looks and making the republican party more attractive (in both the looks sense and the likable sense) but to insinuate that Obama was calling HER a pig specifically is silly, and to say that he was calling her a s**t is bordering on slander/libel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrockthefirst Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 [quote name='SpareTime' post='1652348' date='Sep 10 2008, 02:27 PM']I could be wrong but I think that Ken was trying to be diplomatic about calling us all out on our hypocrisy. Not saying that we should treat Obama like he deserves equal respect, but, be fair as far as similar actions go. When Obama was ahead in the polls, lots complained about how polls were crud and the people taking the polls must favor Obama. Now that McCain is ahead you see no such poll criticism. It's also about being honest about your disdain. There is a difference between admitting one's bias and just stating flat out that you'll use any opportunity you have to rag on Obama, and pretending that everything Obama (or Biden) does/says/feels must be wrong, while everything McCain (or Palin) does/says/feels must be right.[/quote] Exactement. If you're a partisan for McCain, that's fine, you're entitled to your view. But don't stand by while speaker after speaker rips Obama a new one at the RNC, and then pretend to be shocked... shocked... when Obama makes a comment that you don't like because gosh darn it that's just so rude! As an aside, I think that the "lipstick on a pig comment" is particularly apt in the context of [i]a no-holds-barred election campaign[/i]: it does double duty as a pithy commentary of McCain's recycled Bush policies AND provides a nice play on words vis-à-vis Palin's "lipstick on a bulldog" comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Daddy Posted September 10, 2008 Author Share Posted September 10, 2008 [quote name='SpareTime' post='1652371' date='Sep 10 2008, 03:09 PM']You guys should watch this. [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVXAt-OjJgc"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVXAt-OjJgc[/url] Another reason to love Sarah Palin. <3 She is strong and she thinks basically all this stuff about sexism is BS and that we should all quit whining. [/quote] Yup. While her supporters will be (rightfully) offended and her campaign will respond--Palin herself will not play the victim. If she responds at all, it will be with humor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Daddy Posted September 10, 2008 Author Share Posted September 10, 2008 [quote name='kenrockthefirst' post='1652374' date='Sep 10 2008, 03:15 PM']As an aside, I think that the "lipstick on a pig comment" is particularly apt in the context of [i]a no-holds-barred election campaign[/i][/quote] And that may be why we don't have more honest and decent people that seek to be public servants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrockthefirst Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 [quote name='kenrockthefirst' post='1652194' date='Sep 10 2008, 10:13 AM']It would be great if politicians would stick to the issues but they don't, so let's not make anything more of this than what it is, which is the rough and tumble of a heated election campaign.[/quote] [quote name='Lounge Daddy' post='1652384' date='Sep 10 2008, 04:04 PM']And that may be why we don't have more honest and decent people that seek to be public servants.[/quote] Agreed. But as the joke goes, *wanting* to be president should be an automatic disqualification It should be more like jury duty -- something that one is obligated to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamiller42 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 [quote name='SpareTime' post='1652348' date='Sep 10 2008, 02:27 PM']I could be wrong but I think that Ken was trying to be diplomatic about calling us all out on our hypocrisy.[/quote] How is not pointing out the positives of the opposition being hypocritical? Let me put another way. Phatmass is a football stadium with bleachers on each side of the field. The game is the Cowboys vs. Redskins. Let's assume most people going to this game are from Dallas, so they choose to sit and cheer for their team in the Dallas bleachers. They cheer for their team but not for the Redskins. The standard you and fidei set says the Cowboys fans are required to cheer equally for the Redskins. Why? [quote]Not saying that we should treat Obama like he deserves equal respect, but, be fair as far as similar actions go. When Obama was ahead in the polls, lots complained about how polls were crud and the people taking the polls must favor Obama. Now that McCain is ahead you see no such poll criticism.[/quote] Sounds like when sports fans complain when calls don't go their way but cheer ones that do. Doesn't it? Nothing personal. It's politics. [quote]It's also about being honest about your disdain. There is a difference between admitting one's bias and just stating flat out that you'll use any opportunity you have to rag on Obama, and pretending that everything Obama (or Biden) does/says/feels must be wrong, while everything McCain (or Palin) does/says/feels must be right.[/quote] Then take it up with those who say they are not biased but are being biased. Don't claim everyone at Phatmass says they are unbiased. Everyone I've read at Phatmass has some bias in one direction or another. Nothing wrong with that. Be hot or cold or I spit you out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrockthefirst Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Oops. [url="http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/trailhead/archive/2008/09/09/mccain-said-lipstick-too.aspx"]McCain Said "Lipstick" Too[/url] The lady doth protest too much, methinks. Or is that sexist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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