1,350 Christian Families Fled Mosul, Iraq In The Past Week

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1679523' date='Oct 16 2008, 10:34 PM']I don't mind you disagreeing with me, but you never disagree with what I have to say, rather, you are constantly making remarks about me.[/quote]

And yet aren't you constantly making remarks about Madame V? You follow her around and insult her on every thread I've seen so far. And you know you're on ignore, right? Someone correct me if I'm wrong.


[quote]Now, I would very much appreciate it if you'd stop harassing me and tell me what it is exactly that you disagree with me about. If you have nothing constructive to say, then by all means, leave me alone. If you have something to debate, then please, do share. I am more than open to discussion. Passive aggressive comments, however, are not helpful.[/quote]

This isn't harassment. Again, I find it a bit ironic that you harass another user quite frequently, and yet have the nerve to call someone out on "harassment."

But as you politely requested, I will tone down my attitude.

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1679527' date='Oct 16 2008, 08:38 PM']And yet aren't you constantly making remarks about Madame V? You follow her around and insult her on every thread I've seen so far. And you know you're on ignore, right? Someone correct me if I'm wrong.




This isn't harassment. Again, I find it a bit ironic that you harass another user quite frequently, and yet have the nerve to call someone out on "harassment."

But as you politely requested, I will tone down my attitude.[/quote]
Well I'm glad you're out to personally defend her in every thread I happen to post in.

The difference between what I post and what you post is that what I post has something of substance to it. I stated I thought her comments were unnecessary. I didn't just make a snarky remark and leave it at that. Of course, if she were willing to actually discuss differing viewpoints, I'd love to do it. But she won't. And that's intellectually dishonest, and there is nothing wrong with pointing it out.

[Hassan]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1679529' date='Oct 16 2008, 09:40 PM']Well I'm glad you're out to personally defend her in every thread I happen to post in.

The difference between what I post and what you post is that what I post has something of substance to it. I stated I thought her comments were unnecessary. I didn't just make a snarky remark and leave it at that. Of course, if she were willing to actually discuss differing viewpoints, I'd love to do it. But she won't. And that's intellectually dishonest, and there is nothing wrong with pointing it out.[/quote]


very true

Edited October 17, 2008 by Hassan

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1679529' date='Oct 16 2008, 10:40 PM']Well I'm glad you're out to personally defend her in every thread I happen to post in.

The difference between what I post and what you post is that what I post has something of substance to it. I stated I thought her comments were unnecessary. I didn't just make a snarky remark and leave it at that. Of course, if she were willing to actually discuss differing viewpoints, I'd love to do it. But she won't. And that's intellectually dishonest, and there is nothing wrong with pointing it out.[/quote]

*toning down attitude*

[HisChildForever]

But, I will contribute.

I think it's terrible that this is happening.

I know every religion has it's radicals, everyone can agree on that. But when we hear about Muslim radicals, it always involves violence and destruction. There's something very wrong here.

[Hassan]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1679532' date='Oct 16 2008, 09:45 PM']But, I will contribute.

I think it's terrible that this is happening.

I know every religion has it's radicals, everyone can agree on that. But when we hear about Muslim radicals, it always involves violence and destruction. There's something very wrong here.[/quote]

How do you define "Muslim Radical"?

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1679532' date='Oct 16 2008, 08:45 PM']But, I will contribute.

I think it's terrible that this is happening.

I know every religion has it's radicals, everyone can agree on that. But when we hear about Muslim radicals, it always involves violence and destruction. There's something very wrong here.[/quote]
You are correct, every religion has its radicals. But the Muslim radicals aren't the only violent ones.

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1679536' date='Oct 16 2008, 10:53 PM']You are correct, every religion has its radicals. But the Muslim radicals aren't the only violent ones.[/quote]

Unless other radicals fly planes into buildings, I would be interested to hear the type of violence you're talking about.

[T-Bone _]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1679543' date='Oct 16 2008, 09:02 PM']Unless other radicals fly planes into buildings, I would be interested to hear the type of violence you're talking about.[/quote]

Tim McVey. He was a baptized Catholic and committed protestant.
The IRA.

There's two.


Anyone else?

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1679543' date='Oct 16 2008, 09:02 PM']Unless other radicals fly planes into buildings, I would be interested to hear the type of violence you're talking about.[/quote]
[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity"]Christian Identity[/url]
[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God_(USA)"]Army of God[/url]
[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_Nations"]Aryan Nations[/url]
[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan"]The KKK[/url]
[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lambs_of_Christ"]The Lambs of Christ[/url]

And those are just the Christian ones in the U.S. There are many others around the world, and obviously, of many different religions.

The point is, the radicals in Islam you hear about do no represent the religion, at all, just like the KKK doesn't represent Christianity, even though they believe some of the same things as the mainstream religion.

I would NEVER judge Christianity based on these radical groups.

ETA: Here is the wikipedia page about terrorist activities and groups that identify themselves as Christian: [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism[/url]

Edited October 17, 2008 by fidei defensor

[CatherineM]

Basque Separatists, Tamil Tigers, Zapatista Naitonal Liberation Army

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='T-Bone _' post='1679548' date='Oct 16 2008, 11:04 PM']Tim McVey. He was a baptized Catholic and committed protestant.
The IRA.

There's two.


Anyone else?[/quote]

Good point. However, did Timothy McVey bomb the building because of his professed religious beliefs, or was there a different reason? Also, this is the example of one individual independently committing a horrible act - he wasn't part of, for example, a terrorist cell.

I'm talking about a group of religious radicals who act out violently against other groups in the name of their religion.

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1679552' date='Oct 16 2008, 11:08 PM'][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity"]Christian Identity[/url]
[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God_(USA)"]Army of God[/url]
[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_Nations"]Aryan Nations[/url]
[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan"]The KKK[/url]
[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lambs_of_Christ"]The Lambs of Christ[/url]

And those are just the Christian ones in the U.S. There are many others around the world, and obviously, of many different religions.

The point is, the radicals in Islam you hear about do no represent the religion, at all, just like the KKK doesn't represent Christianity, even though they believe some of the same things as the mainstream religion.

I would NEVER judge Christianity based on these radical groups.

ETA: Here is the wikipedia page about terrorist activities and groups that identify themselves as Christian: [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism[/url][/quote]

Thank you for the information.

However, again, I am looking for radical religious groups that focus only on their religion as the reason as to why they are being violent. The KKK heavily relies on their racism, for example - not just their skewed version of Christianity. The same applies for Aryan Nation. I see the same trend with Christian Identity - racism. (I am looking at the sites as I type this.) The only two that fit the criteria so far are Army of God (USA) and Lambs of Christ (and yet they profess to be nonviolent, it says - the group as a whole, they don't speak for those individual members who are violent).

Edit:

And those groups are not as massive as, say, the hierarchy within Muslim terrorism.

Edited October 17, 2008 by HisChildForever

[Hassan]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1679557' date='Oct 16 2008, 10:12 PM']Good point. However, did Timothy McVey bomb the building because of his professed religious beliefs, or was there a different reason? Also, this is the example of one individual independently committing a horrible act - he wasn't part of, for example, a terrorist cell.

I'm talking about a group of religious radicals who act out violently against other groups in the name of their religion.[/quote]
[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre[/url]

You need some sort of criteria. Is the group claims to be doing 'x' because of their religious mandate does this mean we accecpt their claims and totally ignore all economic, geopolitical, sociological and cultural influences?

I think science is the better option

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1679553' date='Oct 16 2008, 11:09 PM']Basque Separatists, Tamil Tigers, Zapatista Naitonal Liberation Army[/quote]

After a quick look - those involve government, not religion.