Obama Girls Will Attend Sidwell Friends School

[kujo]

[quote name='XIX' post='1710932' date='Nov 25 2008, 07:18 PM']Maybe it's not different. So? Who cares? If they are the same, that should make you feel worse about it, not better.

Justifying one idiotic action by saying "Look! They are just as bad!"


is also logically fallacious.[/quote]

I was not justifying an action, but responding to an "idiotic" point made by...whoever I was responding to.

The final word I was say on this...who cares?

[princessgianna]

[quote name='T-Bone _' post='1710633' date='Nov 25 2008, 10:34 AM']Perhaps using government approved books would teach you about run-on sentences?[/quote]
Sumimasen.
That is right, all public schooled children [u]always[/u] use proper grammar.

[princessgianna]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1710889' date='Nov 25 2008, 04:32 PM']Please don't make such generalized statements about public school education. It's offensive to those of us who attended public schools.[/quote]
I am sorry. I don't mean to offend anyone. I have known alot of people who have came out of public schools and they are very well educated.

My main point is that Democrats tend to want to limit homeschooling rights and want everyone to go to the Public school yet their children go to private schools. I am a strong believer that parents are the primary teachers. I also feel that many times the government tries to restrict the parents rights to be that primary teacher. Many people can not afford private education and the child may need more one on one. So homeschooling comes to help this problem. With different people comes different schools that fit us.

I understand Obama's new position and realize that my remark may seem very prejudice of public schools however it is more to due with the irony of what Democrats typical stand for and what they do.

Again I am very sorry for the misunderstanding of my previous remarks.

[princessgianna]

[quote name='Lil Red' post='1710926' date='Nov 25 2008, 06:03 PM']+J.M.J.+
meh. i've done both. k-8 was public, 9-12 was private. i honestly don't know what was better. it was nice though to go to school and be able to be uplifted in your faith rather than having to set it aside or ignore it.[/quote]

The problem to this is the Catholic schools near me are too expensive and they do not teach the Faith as in depth* as my parents wanted. However if this is different for you-lucky duck! I am very happy for you. Hopefully your schools will spread to where I live.

Pax~

*What we believe and WHY we believe it.

[mcts]

I went to public school for middle and high school. I didn't realize at the time that i was being indoctrinated because my dad also shares the views of the teachers. It wasn't until i was having a discussion with my mom that i discovered that a lot of this stuff isn't right.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='kujo' post='1710912' date='Nov 25 2008, 06:38 PM']How is that any different than, say, schools in the South that still teach fundamentalist-creationism?[/quote]
It isn't. A teacher at my school teaches that evolution is false and that creationism is false. This is not right.
If you'd like to believe that, it's fine, but when you teach beliefs instead of facts...that's called indoctrination.
[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1710922' date='Nov 25 2008, 06:57 PM']And I can vouch, after attending and graduating from the public school system, receiving a well rounded education.

Do you think private schools are free from teachers who teach their own beliefs?[/quote]
I didn't say anything about me not having received a well-rounded education. I'm very happy with most of the teachers that I've had, but the fact remains that I have personally encountered teachers who have indoctrinated.
[quote name='XIX' post='1710931' date='Nov 25 2008, 07:14 PM']Basing a generalization on anecdotal experience is logically fallacious. [/quote]
I didn't generalize at all. I said that I've gone to public school, and several of the teachers I had were indoctrinators. The point I was making was that one need not be offended by the statement that indoctrination occurs in public schools (and I'm sure private and homeschooling as well).
[quote name='kujo' post='1710937' date='Nov 25 2008, 07:22 PM']I was not justifying an action, but responding to an "idiotic" point made by...whoever I was responding to.[/quote]
Awesome, thanks for not personally attacking me, especially since you clearly understood the point I was trying to make.

Edited November 26, 2008 by USAirwaysIHS

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1710895' date='Nov 25 2008, 05:46 PM']How is it offensive? I've been public schooled my whole life, and I could personally vouch for the indoctrination that several of the teachers I've had have tried to force on me. Thankfully, my folks taught me to not believe everything I hear, which is (unfortunately) not the case with all public school students.[/quote]


[quote name='mcts' post='1711051' date='Nov 25 2008, 09:30 PM']I went to public school for middle and high school. I didn't realize at the time that i was being indoctrinated because my dad also shares the views of the teachers. It wasn't until i was having a discussion with my mom that i discovered that a lot of this stuff isn't right.[/quote]

You have to remember that public schools are public. Kids from many faith (and non-faith) backgrounds attend. Public schools do not "preach" religion - for obvious reasons - but this by no means implies that religion is not discussed thoroughly in History, Science, English, Philosophy, etc. Stop using the word "indoctrinate" because public schools do not make it their mission to turn all students into atheists. Not teaching religion does [u]not[/u] equal teaching against religion. If you want Catholic-centered curriculum, simply attend a Catholic school. (But remember that just because a school says it's Catholic does not mean that it is truly Catholic, or that the majority of the student body are practicing Catholics.)

Now to another matter (this directed to USAirwaysIHS) -
Please explain what you mean by "I could personally vouch for the indoctrination that several of the teachers I've had have tried to force on me." You make it sound like you were strapped into a chair and force-fed poisonous information. I really want to know what "indoctrination" was "forced" on you. If public schools are so anti-religion in terms of education, why would the system even bother discussing religion at all?


[quote name='princessgianna' post='1710962' date='Nov 25 2008, 08:24 PM']Again I am very sorry for the misunderstanding of my previous remarks.[/quote]

It's okay.

Edited November 26, 2008 by HisChildForever

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1711167' date='Nov 25 2008, 10:15 PM']It isn't. A teacher at my school teaches that evolution is false and that creationism is false. This is not right.
If you'd like to believe that, it's fine, but when you teach beliefs instead of facts...that's called indoctrination.

I didn't say anything about me not having received a well-rounded education. I'm very happy with most of the teachers that I've had, but the fact remains that I have personally encountered teachers who have indoctrinated.

I didn't generalize at all. I said that I've gone to public school, and several of the teachers I had were indoctrinators. The point I was making was that one need not be offended by the statement that indoctrination occurs in public schools (and I'm sure private and homeschooling as well).

Awesome, thanks for not personally attacking me, especially since you clearly understood the point I was trying to make.[/quote]
Indoctrination implies that you aren't getting a well rounded education. It implies that only certain things are being taught to you and others being ignored.

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1711204' date='Nov 25 2008, 11:22 PM']You have to remember that public schools are public. Kids from many faith (and non-faith) backgrounds attend. Public schools do not "preach" religion - for obvious reasons - but this by no means implies that religion is not discussed thoroughly in History, Science, English, Philosophy, etc. Stop using the word "indoctrinate" because public schools do not make it their mission to turn all students into atheists. Not teaching religion does [u]not[/u] equal teaching against religion. If you want Catholic-centered curriculum, simply attend a Catholic school. (But remember that just because a school says it's Catholic does not mean that it is truly Catholic, or that the majority of the student body are practicing Catholics.)

Now to another matter (this directed to USAirwaysIHS) -
Please explain what you mean by "I could personally vouch for the indoctrination that several of the teachers I've had have tried to force on me." You make it sound like you were strapped into a chair and force-fed poisonous information. I really want to know what "indoctrination" was "forced" on you. If public schools are so anti-religion in terms of education, why would the system even bother discussing religion at all?




It's okay.[/quote]
Thank you, someone with a little understanding.

[dominicansoul]

I don't know if it's just me, but apparantly, after reading usairways' post...I've always believed there is some type of indoctrination going on in the public school system...

and it's almost as if it is all planned out...you can research and see for yourself just by reading about some of the shenanigans going on at the annual NEA conference...

...i can suppose that there could be something sinister afoot...

I know this, too, because I attended both Catholic and public schools and in public schools, we were FORCED to listen to reps from NARAL give their spiel to us in health class...

...needless to say, it wasn't a pretty thing to go through....lots of promotion of sex before marriage, how to have safe sex, how to go about getting an abortion, use birthcontrol, etc.

it was us devout Catholics worse nightmare to have to go through that class, needless to say, many of us remained silent and shook up by the whole experience...but some did speak out against it and were quickly looked upon as "prudes..." even by the instructors...

...so yeah, i can see where there is some type of indoctrination going on in public schools...

especially that they are now taking kindergartners on field trips to watch lesbians get married...

...i can see where that could be considered indoctrination...

[HisChildForever]

Again, the public school system is [i]not[/i] Catholic. Therefore, a great majority of their students are not Catholic. If they keep their mouths shut about contraception, the students (and there are many of them) who are sexually active will have sex, get pregnant, and most likely get abortions, STDs, etc. The teachers are looking out for the students' health. Now encouraging abortions (which you experienced) and learning about abortion (without any bias) are two completely different things. My only hope is that the kids who were part of this twisted "discussion" saw abortion for what it really is. Furthermore, how were you forced to stay? Did you explain to your teacher before the class, in private, what your religious views were? Did you have your parents call, or write a letter? Did your teacher deny these things? If so, you had the right to confront your principal about it.

[quote]and it's almost as if it is all planned out...you can research and see for yourself just by reading about some of the shenanigans going on at the annual NEA conference...[/quote]

So they are "planning" to destroy and overthrow Catholicism?

Or are they "planning" what they believe to be good programs which just so happen to go against Catholic belief (i.e. homosexual students)?

Look what I found: [url="http://www.nea.org/schoolsafety/glbt.html"]http://www.nea.org/schoolsafety/glbt.html[/url]

They are not promoting the homosexual lifestyle. They know that students will dress and act a certain way and you can't do anything to stop it, even if you want to. They are promoting the protection of homosexual students from physical and verbal harassment. How is this wrong?

[quote]The effects of bullying, harassment, and discrimination are clear. Students who are subjected to frequent harassment do less well academically, and are much more likely to be truant or drop out of school, be depressed or suicidal, consume drugs or alcohol, or carry a weapon to school.[/quote]

Anyway.

I'm sure public schools offer non-kosher foods in their cafeterias. Is this "indoctrinating" Orthodox Jews?

I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just trying to get my point across that you can't expect Catholic theology to be taught at a public institution. Then the other kids who are Jewish, Muslim, Agnostic, etc., will feel "indoctrinated."

Edited November 26, 2008 by HisChildForever

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1711410' date='Nov 26 2008, 10:43 AM']Again, the public school system is [i]not[/i] Catholic. Therefore, a great majority of their students are not Catholic. If they keep their mouths shut about contraception, the students (and there are many of them) who are sexually active will have sex, get pregnant, and most likely get abortions, STDs, etc. The teachers are looking out for the students' health. Now encouraging abortions (which you experienced) and learning about abortion (without any bias) are two completely different things. My only hope is that the kids who were part of this twisted "discussion" saw abortion for what it really is. Furthermore, how were you forced to stay? Did you explain to your teacher before the class, in private, what your religious views were? Did you have your parents call, or write a letter? Did your teacher deny these things? If so, you had the right to confront your principal about it.



So they are "planning" to destroy and overthrow Catholicism?

Or are they "planning" what they believe to be good programs which just so happen to go against Catholic belief (i.e. homosexual students)?

Look what I found: [url="http://www.nea.org/schoolsafety/glbt.html"]http://www.nea.org/schoolsafety/glbt.html[/url]

They are not promoting the homosexual lifestyle. They know that students will dress and act a certain way and you can't do anything to stop it, even if you want to. They are promoting the protection of homosexual students from physical and verbal harassment. How is this wrong?



Anyway.

I'm sure public schools offer non-kosher foods in their cafeterias. Is this "indoctrinating" Orthodox Jews?

I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just trying to get my point across that you can't expect Catholic theology to be taught at a public institution. Then the other kids who are Jewish, Muslim, Agnostic, etc., will feel "indoctrinated."[/quote]

these are all very fine points! I do see things only in my Catholic perspective of things, so I can see where I may misconstrue a lot of these experiences and take many of them personally...


...as for the NARAL speaker, it was a required class...there was no way out....it was pretty sad! I'm sure if enough parents got together and protested they wouldn't have forced us too, but in the end, there weren't many, in fact, it seemed parents encouraged their kids to be a part of this course.

[Lil Red]

+J.M.J.+
[url="http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=N2EzNGQ5YzFmOThjOGQ5YTFlYTA5OGM1MDA3ODY0MjA=&w=MQ=="]True School Scandal[/url]. Partial quote:
[quote]So if Obama and other politicians don’t want to send their kids to schools where even the principals have such views, that’s no scandal. The scandal is that these politicians tolerate such awful schools at all. For anyone.

The main reason politicians adopt a policy of malign neglect: teachers unions, arguably the single worst mainstream institution in our country today. No group has a stronger or better-organized stranglehold on a political party than they do. No group is more committed to putting ideological blather and self-interest before the public good.

Rhee has been pushing a new contract that would provide merit pay to successful teachers. The system is voluntary: Individual teachers can stay in the current system that rewards mere seniority or opt to join a parallel system that pays for superior performance. Many talented teachers would love the opportunity.

Alas, the national teachers unions insist that linking pay to results is an outrageous attack on the integrity of public schools. They have insisted that D.C. teachers not even be allowed to vote on the contract.

The Democratic Party continues to tolerate this sort of thing because public school teachers continue to be reliably liberal voters. And their unions cut big checks.

Obama, however, bragged about being different during his campaign. He declared himself independent from teachers unions and boasted his support for Rhee. But his recent appointment of Stanford professor — and teachers union apologist — Linda Darling-Hammond to head his education transition team is seen by many as a sign that reformers like Rhee can expect little support from the new White House.[/quote]

[Apotheoun]

I can certainly understand why the Mr. Obama would not want to use the public schools in the Washington DC area, but it certainly would be nice if everyone had the opportunity through a voucher system to send their children where they could get the best education.