Dave Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 [quote name='Tinkerlina' post='1742749' date='Jan 4 2009, 05:01 PM']Ah, ok. I guess the list of promises just seemed a little strange to me-but if the Church approved them, the Church approved them. -Katie[/quote] Actually, the prayers themselves are approved, but not the promises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1742708' date='Jan 4 2009, 02:44 PM']How do they justify "voodoo dolls" if their religion is woven with certain Catholic elements?[/quote] I don't really know much about the specifics of voodoo, but my professor did mention that there are two different kinds of priests in voodoo. I forget the different names, but one priest is considered the priest who does good, and the other is considered the priest who does evil. The evil priest may be the one who practices darker elements such as voodoo dolls, but I'm not sure. Keep in mind that western perceptions of voodoo (such as the role of voodoo dolls) may be skewed by stereotype, myth, etc. There are also certain people called "Pere Savane" who are well acquainted with Catholic ritual, and who perform "Catholic" services, often because there is not a Catholic Priest available. Obviously, the Pere Savane are not approved by the Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 I've had to deal more with people practicing Santeria rather than voodoo. I was told that in Cuba, they disguised their pagan stuff with Catholic stuff to keep from being found out. It had been a way for slaves to maintain their ancestral practices while making their Catholic owners think they had been properly converted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 I've read that in Asia there's often a large amount of syncretism between Shinto and Catholicism. In some ways, I'm sure this combining is due to cultural attitudes. Shinto is, I've been taught (and I'm not expert, so this may be misleading) often considered a way of life rather than a religion. With that in mind, it's not hard to imagine how it would be 'combined' with other religions. Maybe that's part of the reason we see some overlaps between these voodoo practices and Catholicism. (In addition to what's already been addressed.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggamafu Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Hmm. Shintoism is a national religion, specifically Japanese. I've never heard of anyone but the Japanese practicing Shinto. And it is very much so a religion. Are you thinking of Confucianism? That sounds more like what you're describing. That and strictly philosophical Taoism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 [quote name='Ziggamafu' post='1742910' date='Jan 4 2009, 06:31 PM']Hmm. Shintoism is a national religion, specifically Japanese. I've never heard of anyone but the Japanese practicing Shinto. And it is very much so a religion. Are you thinking of Confucianism? That sounds more like what you're describing. That and strictly philosophical Taoism.[/quote] You're right; I think I'm confused with Taoism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chloeaustyn Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1742971' date='Jan 4 2009, 09:07 PM']You're right; I think I'm confused with Taoism.[/quote] "Taoist propriety and ethics emphasize the Three Jewels of the Tao: compassion, moderation, and humility." -Wikipedia Not a bad thing to be confused with, I say. Sounds kind of like the first 3 Hail Mary's on a Rosary... Faith, Hope, and Charity. But at least we don't have to have those in moderation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Voodoo is a form of Witchcraft. Which of course makes it forbidden for faithful Catholics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1743178' date='Jan 5 2009, 02:44 AM']Voodoo is a form of Witchcraft. Which of course makes it forbidden for faithful Catholics.[/quote] I think we've already established that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggamafu Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 [quote name='chloeaustyn' post='1743169' date='Jan 5 2009, 02:34 AM']"Taoist propriety and ethics emphasize the Three Jewels of the Tao: compassion, moderation, and humility." -Wikipedia Not a bad thing to be confused with, I say. Sounds kind of like the first 3 Hail Mary's on a Rosary... Faith, Hope, and Charity. But at least we don't have to have those in moderation! [/quote] Before I gave my life back to Christ (which was years before I gave my life fully to his Church) there was a time that I considered myself a Taoist. Taoism is much easier to bridge to Christianity than other religions and philosophies. The thing about the Tao Te Ching - the original and prime text of Taoism - is that it is a philosophical text. Later on texts appeared that blended Taoism with other religions. Anyway, there are many passages of the Tao Te Ching that seem very prophetic of Christ, which reminds me of the theory that God has spoken to various non-Christian cultures through shadowy types (which of course tend to be obfuscated by other errors in the religions) to aid in preparing a given people to receive the Gospel. To this day, Chinese Bible translations use the word "Tao" to translate "Logos" and, if I recall correctly, Taoism was used in many ways when the Chinese people were first evangelized. There is a book called [i]Christ the Eternal Tao[/i] that researches the topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Ziggamafu' post='1743283' date='Jan 5 2009, 07:25 AM']Before I gave my life back to Christ (which was years before I gave my life fully to his Church) there was a time that I considered myself a Taoist. Taoism is much easier to bridge to Christianity than other religions and philosophies. The thing about the Tao Te Ching - the original and prime text of Taoism - is that it is a philosophical text. Later on texts appeared that blended Taoism with other religions. Anyway, there are many passages of the Tao Te Ching that seem very prophetic of Christ, which reminds me of the theory that God has spoken to various non-Christian cultures through shadowy types (which of course tend to be obfuscated by other errors in the religions) to aid in preparing a given people to receive the Gospel. To this day, Chinese Bible translations use the word "Tao" to translate "Logos" and, if I recall correctly, Taoism was used in many ways when the Chinese people were first evangelized. There is a book called [i]Christ the Eternal Tao[/i] that researches the topic.[/quote] Now, it's quite possible I'm entirely confused again, but isn't Taoism the one that emphasizes the idea of 'inaction'? Wu wei I believe was the term used. The yin yang idea too. See those, and a couple other aspects in particular, very much set me against Taoism as a philosophy or religion. Edited January 5, 2009 by Nihil Obstat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted January 5, 2009 Author Share Posted January 5, 2009 How do you people know all this stuff? I wish I was this smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1743326' date='Jan 5 2009, 09:36 AM']How do you people know all this stuff? I wish I was this smart.[/quote] +J.M.J.+ me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1743326' date='Jan 5 2009, 12:36 PM']How do you people know all this stuff? I wish I was this smart.[/quote] I know, right? I guess we all have our niches though. I wish religion/theology was a bigger one of mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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