Whats Your View On Bi Or Gay People

[shadowstich]

im mostly just curious on peoples views, as it is a debate we have had in class (just among friends)
ive had many people tell me that its wrong
and others tell me that god will still love you if your gay.
whats your opinion and why?

[Madame Vengier]

God loves everyone, gay or not. It's not based on opinion...it's the teaching of the Gospel. But just because God loves us no matter what he do, that doesn't mean we can do whatever we want.

[shadowstich]

do you think its a bad thing for someone to like someone of the same sex?

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='shadowstich' post='1748886' date='Jan 11 2009, 07:40 PM']do you think its a bad thing for someone to like someone of the same sex?[/quote]

Bad? I don't use words like "bad" to describe immoral and deviant behavior. I know what you mean, but I think that word is one to use to describe a child stealing a cookie from the cookie jar, not deviant homosexual behavior. I think homosexuals are ill and need help. But yes, God does love them. This is not even an issue. Parents can love their rebellious children but still want and encourage them to be better. Also, liking someone of the same sex is only feelings, not actions.

[shadowstich]

if god did not want some people to be gay, why are there gay animals?

[HisChildForever]

[b]The Catechism of the Catholic Church[/b]
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='shadowstich' post='1748896' date='Jan 11 2009, 07:52 PM']if god did not want some people to be gay, why are there gay animals?[/quote]


There aren't any gay animals. And even if there were, why would you compare people to animals? Even though, technically, we are animals too...but why would you compare people to lower animals? What does one have to do with the other? Since when are people expected to exhibit the same behavior as lower animals? I'm not seeing the connection...or rather, the point of mentioning lower animals in a discussion about human homosexuality and whether God loves gays.

[shadowstich]

gay people can still choose to have children (either by addoption or by getting someone else to get someone pregnant(if there were two girls married one girl could have their brother donate sperm)

[HisChildForever]

"Gay" Animals
Source: [url="http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html"]http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20..._gayanimal.html[/url]

[quote]The team caught female Japanese macaques engaged in intimate acts which, if observed in humans, would be in the X-rated category.

"The homosexual behavior that goes on is completely baffling and intriguing," says National Geographic Ultimate Explorer correspondent, Mireya Mayor. "You would have thought females that want to be mated, especially over their fertile period, would be seeking out males."

Well, perhaps, in a roundabout way, they are seeking males, suggests primatologist Amy Parish.

[b]She argues that female macaques may enhance their social position through homosexual intimacy which in turn influences breeding success.[/b] Parish says, "Taking something that's nonreproductive, like mounting another female—if it leads to control of a resource or acquisition of a resource or a good alliance partner, that could directly impact your reproductive success."[/quote]

and

[quote]On the other hand, they could just be enjoying themselves, suggests Paul Vasey, animal behavior professor at the University of Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada. "They're engaging in the behavior because it's gratifying sexually or it's sexually pleasurable," he says. "They just like it. It doesn't have any sort of adaptive payoff."[/quote]

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='shadowstich' post='1748901' date='Jan 11 2009, 06:57 PM']gay people can still choose to have children (either by addoption or by getting someone else to get someone pregnant(if there were two girls married one girl could have their brother donate sperm)[/quote]

Are you suggesting that a lesbian couple could ask one of their brothers to impregnant his sister's partner or the sister herself??

[CatherineM]

If you would like to know what the Catholic Church's official teaching on same sex attraction, I would highly recommend visiting the [url="http://www.couragerc.net/"]Courage[/url] web site. Individuals born with same sex attraction have been given very heavy crosses. We should give them compassion, but at the same time, we can't ever allow people to misinterpret our compassion for acceptance of behaviors that not only damage them as individuals but can do damage to our society as a whole.

[shadowstich]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1748900' date='Jan 11 2009, 05:56 PM']There aren't any gay animals. And even if there were, why would you compare people to animals? Even though, technically, we are animals too...but why would you compare people to lower animals? What does one have to do with the other? Since when are people expected to exhibit the same behavior as lower animals? I'm not seeing the connection...or rather, the point of mentioning lower animals in a discussion about human homosexuality and whether God loves gays.[/quote]
people can be worse then animals, people murder, rape, steel, lie, cheat, have wars... animals are not lower then us.
and yes there are gay animals, there are gay gorrilas and gay dogs.
ive seen a gay dog. they exist.
we learn things from animals...
and the way they tie together is that if animals who are as you say "lower" then us, can be gay. why cant we.

[shadowstich]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1748906' date='Jan 11 2009, 05:59 PM']Are you suggesting that a lesbian couple could ask one of their brothers to impregnant his sister's partner or the sister herself??[/quote]
sisters partner

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='shadowstich' post='1748909' date='Jan 11 2009, 07:01 PM']people can be worse then animals, people murder, rape, steel, lie, cheat, have wars... animals are not lower then us.
and yes there are gay animals, there are gay gorrilas and gay dogs.
ive seen a gay dog. they exist.
we learn things from animals...
and the way they tie together is that if animals who are as you say "lower" then us, can be gay. why cant we.[/quote]

First, please read the quotes - or the article - I posted from National Geographic.

Second, please don't say that animals are [b]not[/b] lower than us. Animals are not equal to human beings.

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='shadowstich' post='1748901' date='Jan 11 2009, 07:57 PM']gay people can still choose to have children (either by addoption or by getting someone else to get someone pregnant(if there were two girls married one girl could have their brother donate sperm)[/quote]

But that's not natural, now is it? No matter what they try to do, it takes a man and woman to make a baby, right? There is no way around that. Whether a person uses in vitro fertilization, they still have to have an egg from a female and sperm from a male. There is no way around this. But it's not just about making a baby and how. There are lots of other reasons why homosexuality is intrinsically disordered and unnatural. Physically, homosexuality is completely unnatural, as no part of a man's body is made for the sex act with another man, and no part of a woman's body is made for the sex act with another woman. It's like a chicken and a cow trying to have relations--can't be done.