Hassan Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 [quote name='shadowstich' post='1748968' date='Jan 11 2009, 09:04 PM']i like little kids, and i currently teach little kids martial arts[/quote] So did I Goju ryu. I mean I did other things as well but I always enjoyed that part of being a Sensei I kind of miss it now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Maggie' post='1748939' date='Jan 11 2009, 08:40 PM']The argument about gay animals is a common one. It is entirely possible that science will one day isolate what they call the "gay gene" as something that exists in both humans and animals. But it's wrong to compare humans to animals when it comes to sex, our sexual lives have much deeper meaning and significance vs. raw instinct. Human sexual relationships are BOTH unitive and procreative, for instance.[/quote] What do you mean "unitive"? [quote]But anyway, the fact that what appears to be homosexual activity occurs in nature is sort of irrelevant. Even if you are genetically pre-programmed to have bisexual inclinations, that has nothing to do with whether it is right to act on them and it doesn't mean that you "have" to be attach the label bisexual to yourself. By all accounts I am biologically inclined to mental illness, obesity, and alcoholism, and yet I am not a drinker, I am at a very healthy weight and there are no signs of mental illness so far that I'VE noticed Our genes are not our destiny; your bisexuality is probably equal parts nature and nurture (due to the way you were raised).[/quote] Edit: nevermind. [quote]There is probably a criminality gene - I remember we had discussions about this in my ethics class - even if there is a gene that indicates a greater propensity to commit crimes like rape or murder, or even pettier offenses, society would not be justified in preemptively locking up people who carried the gene. Because just because it's in your DNA doesn't mean it's inevitable. And of course a thief could not justify his theft by insisting that it is natural for him to want to steal. I don't mean to compare your sexual preference to violent crime, I'm just pointing out that whether something is right or wrong is independent of its "naturalness" or how it makes you feel Whenever we try to evaluate a behavior from an objective ethical point of view, we have to leave aside how strong the compulsion is etc although that can certainly be hard to do![/quote] But you must understand that outside of religious postulations it is very difficult to justify labeling homosexual actions as somehow perverse. I mean I’m heterosexual and honestly can’t imagine being attracted to another man, but I don’t see anything wrong with it (and the ensuing relationships) unless assumed through religious dogma. Edited January 12, 2009 by Hassan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1748911' date='Jan 11 2009, 08:02 PM']Second, please don't say that animals are [b]not[/b] lower than us. Animals are not equal to human beings.[/quote] By what citeria? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowstich Posted January 12, 2009 Author Share Posted January 12, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' post='1748983' date='Jan 11 2009, 07:28 PM']By what citeria?[/quote] my cat sure doesnt act like hes lower than us. and white people once thought people with other colors of skin were lower then they were.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 [quote name='shadowstich' post='1748988' date='Jan 11 2009, 09:32 PM']my cat sure doesnt act like hes lower than us. and white people once thought people with other colors of skin were lower then they were....[/quote] Yeah, I think such claims are based on rather archaic metaphysical systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkaands Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1748906' date='Jan 11 2009, 05:59 PM']Are you suggesting that a lesbian couple could ask one of their brothers to impregnant his sister's partner or the sister herself??[/quote] The brother could donate sperm to his sister's partner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkaands Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 There is increasing evidence that gay men are hard-wired from birth toward homosexuality. This agrees with the impressions of many gays who report that they have known they were 'different' from their earliest days, and what many straights have been told by their gay (usually male gay) friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowstich Posted January 12, 2009 Author Share Posted January 12, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' post='1748989' date='Jan 11 2009, 07:34 PM']Yeah, I think such claims are based on rather archaic metaphysical systems.[/quote] we should all become cats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' post='1748974' date='Jan 11 2009, 07:11 PM']What is the rational process by which one demarcates the “Higher Animal” from the “lower Animals”? Is this a strict demarcation or is it a gradual separation?[/quote] It's a pretty simple dichotomy actually. Humans=higher animal. Everything else=lower animal. Hope that clears some things up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 [quote name='shadowstich' post='1748998' date='Jan 11 2009, 09:42 PM']we should all become cats[/quote] lol, I like your thinking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 [quote name='shadowstich' post='1748988' date='Jan 11 2009, 07:32 PM']my cat sure doesnt act like hes lower than us. and white people once thought people with other colors of skin were lower then they were....[/quote] That's people and other people. Not at all the same. Granted, it was ridiculous, horrific situation, but it just isn't comparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowstich Posted January 12, 2009 Author Share Posted January 12, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1749001' date='Jan 11 2009, 07:44 PM']It's a pretty simple dichotomy actually. Humans=higher animal. Everything else=lower animal. Hope that clears some things up. [/quote] croutons. must not argue with friend.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1748926' date='Jan 11 2009, 08:14 PM']Also, seeing ONE "gay dog" (whatever that means) does not mean that homosexuality among lower animals generally is a common thing, because we already know it is not.[/quote] Male dogs commonly hump other males as a form of dominance display - an act of aggression signaling domination over another. This is common in various other animals species as well. It's more akin to prison rape than being "gay." Many animals also engage in things like cannibalism - just because a behavior exists in animals doesn't mean it is justified in human beings. Edited January 12, 2009 by Socrates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowstich Posted January 12, 2009 Author Share Posted January 12, 2009 [quote name='shadowstich' post='1749006' date='Jan 11 2009, 07:48 PM']croutons. must not argue with friend....[/quote] i did not type croutons.... i wonder what else gets changed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 [quote name='shadowstich' post='1749006' date='Jan 11 2009, 07:48 PM']croutons. must not argue with friend....[/quote] Hah, go ahead. Everyone else is going to say the same thing. Unless they have a little explamation point under their name. Then you never know. Genesis 1:28 [quote]God blessed them; and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth."[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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