Vincent Vega Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 [quote name='tinytherese' post='1760352' date='Jan 24 2009, 05:15 PM']That's Rosalind Moss.[/quote] She's recently founded her own order, too - the Daughters of Mary, Mother of Israel's Hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggamafu Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' post='1760285' date='Jan 24 2009, 03:11 PM']I would also ad that you must remember that Judaism is a lot more than {Christianity-Jesus=Judaism }. They are going to have very different interpretations and understanding of their scripture than you do. I’d recommend taking some time to really read about Judaism and try to understand Judaism as Jews do. I think if you really immerse yourself in the “Jewish paradigm” you would be a lot more successful. Be carefull around Hasidics. I mean while it's not often in the news religious fanaticism is not just in Christianity and Islam. I know the Israeli government has had trouble with fundamentalist Jews throwing stones at cars driving on the Sabbath or throwing acid on girls not dressed modestly. I'm just saying doing a lot of "open air preaching" in a staunchly Hasadic community can get you into trouble [/quote] Honestly, if you know your Catholic theology, it can be immensely fruitful to study the Jewish faith from devout Jewish perspectives (but of course, most especially ancient Jewish perspectives). There is a very good book called How Christ Said the First Mass that, detail by detail, goes through the traditions and liturgies of Judaism to reveal in depth how Catholicism fulfills the Old Covenant. But yeah, Hasidics might kill you, if they're too extreme so, uh, yeah... They're the ones who hold funerals for relatives who leave the faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 [quote name='Ziggamafu' post='1760535' date='Jan 24 2009, 10:03 PM']Honestly, if you know your Catholic theology, it can be immensely fruitful to study the Jewish faith from devout Jewish perspectives (but of course, most especially ancient Jewish perspectives). There is a very good book called How Christ Said the First Mass that, detail by detail, goes through the traditions and liturgies of Judaism to reveal in depth how Catholicism fulfills the Old Covenant.[/quote] It can be very deep, also can be odd. I read a Jewish writter arguing that while it would be quixotic for a devout Jew to be an atheist an atheist could be a faithfull Jew. There are 613 commands of the Torah which a good Jew must obey and not one of them commands a Jew to actually believe in God. Moreove the idea of regulating the internal subjective judgements and feelings of Judaism is antithetical to Judaism, which is what faith is. [quote]But yeah, Hasidics might kill you, if they're too extreme so, uh, yeah... They're the ones who hold funerals for relatives who leave the faith.[/quote] yeah. That can't be applied to all Hasidics, like I've met some very kind Salafi Muslims, but whenever your dealing with such an overtly "fundamentalist" religious sect you need to be carefull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocent Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1760267' date='Jan 25 2009, 01:21 AM']One of the reasons they said they excluded those is that they hadn't originally been written in Hebrew. Since then, every one of those books has been discovered in Hebrew. Archeology is seriously cool. I'm waiting for the day they dig up a copy of the Q materials.[/quote] That's great! I hadn't heard of this before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggamafu Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1760267' date='Jan 24 2009, 02:51 PM']One of the reasons they said they excluded those is that they hadn't originally been written in Hebrew. Since then, every one of those books has been discovered in Hebrew. Archeology is seriously cool. I'm waiting for the day they dig up a copy of the Q materials.[/quote] I had not heard that either. Do you have a source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 [quote name='Ziggamafu' post='1764980' date='Jan 28 2009, 07:07 PM']I had not heard that either. Do you have a source?[/quote] Theology professor. I'll try to get a link though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Here's a good [url="http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2004/0409fea4.asp"]LINK[/url] to the whole issue. I looked through my old notes, and Tobit was found in Aramaic and Hebrew in Qumran in 1952. Several other books are now deemed by scholars to have been originally written in Hebrew because of the syntax of the Greek translations. Something that is way over my head. Plus there are other ancient works that refer to the Hebrew translations. Origen of Alexandria referred to Maccabees being in Hebrew. Bottom line for me though, is that when Jesus went to synagogue, these books would have been read there. They talk in very messianic terms. Luther accepted that the church had the right to set canon (and not Jewish rabbis), but then later changed his mind. It is a case of being different just to be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweens8403 Posted January 29, 2009 Author Share Posted January 29, 2009 interesting. well, then that would be another issue for sola scriptura believing folks to deal with since they don't have the deuterocanonicals in their bibles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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