Ideas To Keep Our Catholic Hospitals Open Legally

[Arpy]

Maybe we should stage a revolution?

[FPCthegreat]

that would be awesome

[TotusTuusMaria]

[quote name='prose' post='1763589' date='Jan 27 2009, 03:33 PM']I am 100% sure that Catholic hospitals won't be forced to provide abortions. At the end of the day, the government can't afford to have all Catholic hospitals closed which is what would happen if that was implemented.

There will be some provision for Catholic hospitals.[/quote]

I was told yesterday by the CEO of an independent Catholic hospital (not run by the Diocese) that there are no hospitals (except for those run by the Little Sisters) that are under the Diocese in the US. He is a very faithful Catholic, but said unfortunately the Church's threat to close hospitals is empty because they really don't have any hospitals to close. All they can do is tell the Hospital "don't perform abortions or I will take the name Catholic from you." He said that there is little regard for the bi-laws they must keep already and the threat to take "Catholic" from them will not affect them.

And when I was talking to the Republican senator of my state and his staff in DC I asked them (not knowing at that time how empty the threat really is) if this threat had any weight and if it was changing minds or making them re-think positions on FOCA. They basically did not want to tell me "no" but that is kind of what they said.

After talking to a number of different people about this situation I really do not have much faith in this threat actually having any persusaion power.

Edited January 27, 2009 by TotusTuusMaria

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Didacus' post='1763645' date='Jan 27 2009, 02:27 PM']I wish I was that certain.

In Canada, doctors are not allowed to object or refuse to refer abortions.[/quote]
That's like my worst nightmare, considering what I want to be studying in a few years from now......

[quote name='prose' post='1763659' date='Jan 27 2009, 02:37 PM']What are you talking about??

There are several pro-life doctors in Canada:

[url="http://www.physiciansforlife.ca/"]http://www.physiciansforlife.ca/[/url]

[url="http://www.webhart.net/vandee/prolife.shtml"]http://www.webhart.net/vandee/prolife.shtml[/url][/quote]
This makes me happier though.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='TotusTuusMaria' post='1763822' date='Jan 27 2009, 03:31 PM']I was told yesterday by the CEO of an independent Catholic hospital (not run by the Diocese) that there are no hospitals (except for those run by the Little Sisters) that are under the Diocese in the US. He is a very faithful Catholic, but said unfortunately the Church's threat to close hospitals is empty because they really don't have any hospitals to close. All they can do is tell the Hospital "don't perform abortions or I will take the name Catholic from you." He said that there is little regard for the bi-laws they must keep already and the threat to take "Catholic" from them will not affect them.

And when I was talking to the Republican senator of my state and his staff in DC I asked them (not knowing at that time how empty the threat really is) if this threat had any weight and if it was changing minds or making them re-think positions on FOCA. They basically did not want to tell me "no" but that is kind of what they said.

After talking to a number of different people about this situation I really do not have much faith in this threat actually having any persusaion power.[/quote]
+J.M.J.+
every hospital in my state is run by a religious order. if they don't take the name "Catholic" seriously enough, then that's indicative of a larger problem.

oh, and the Bishop sits on the board of every one of those hospitals.

[TotusTuusMaria]

[quote name='Lil Red' post='1763835' date='Jan 27 2009, 07:39 PM']+J.M.J.+
every hospital in my state is run by a religious order. if they don't take the name "Catholic" seriously enough, then that's indicative of a larger problem.

oh, and the Bishop sits on the board of every one of those hospitals.[/quote]

Interesting. Do you mind saying what state you are in and I will bring it up to the CEO I spoke with about this? If not, that is ok.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='TotusTuusMaria' post='1763847' date='Jan 27 2009, 03:45 PM']Interesting. Do you mind saying what state you are in and I will bring it up to the CEO I spoke with about this? If not, that is ok.[/quote]
+J.M.J.+
out of the 5 major hospitals that are Catholic:

-2 are sponsored by the Sisters of Providence.
[quote]The Sisters share sponsorship responsibilities with community leaders in the form of a governing board, which helps direct the hospital in its endeavors. This governing board, in turn, reports to and is directed by Providence Health and Services. Providence Health and Services is a holding company that represents the Sisters of Providence in leading their sponsored healthcare, higher education, and human services ministries in eastern Washington and western Montana. Sponsorship is a special type of not-for-profit ownership. [b]As sponsors, the Sisters of Providence and Providence Health and Services are accountable to[/b] the community, the [b]Catholic church[/b], and state and federal governments for fulfilling the missions of each sponsored organization.[/quote]
-the other 3 are run by the Sisters of Charity of Leavenworth Health System. from their page on Ethical Issues Principles and Concepts:
[quote]A document critical to this understanding comes from the bishops of the United States. The Ethical And Religious Directives For Catholic Health Care Services (The ERDs) express how Catholic teaching informs a variety of health care issues, and guides us in responding to them in a manner that respects the dignity of each human person, while maintaining and promoting the mission and identity of Catholic health care. As new technologies bring new ethical dilemmas, the ERDs may be updated, but the essential teachings on which they are based will not change.[/quote]

not to mention, each of these hospitals also run many outreach clinics not in the major cities. our state would be in very much worse shape medically if each of these are forced to shut down because of FOCA or at the least forced to modify which services they do provide.

[CatherineM]

I was educated by the Sister of Charity of Leavenworth. If they start doing abortions, it will definitely be time for Armageddon.

[Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam]

[quote name='prose' post='1763589' date='Jan 27 2009, 03:33 PM']I am 100% sure that Catholic hospitals won't be forced to provide abortions. At the end of the day, the government can't afford to have all Catholic hospitals closed which is what would happen if that was implemented.

There will be some provision for Catholic hospitals.[/quote]

They won't be closed. The thing is say the religious orders and all the hospitals on which bishops sit on the board are closed because they will be forced to perform abortion by law. They will threaten to close. They will start the process and an injuction will be filed against them stopping them from closing by the government or someone "acting in the people's name." If they lose the law suit (I pray they don't), the government will take it or make them sell it to someone else. Also they could also maybe declare immanent domain and take it anyway. Think if the majority of Catholic Hospitals are taken over by the government, it doesn't matter if there is no socialized health care bill passed the government will own most of them anyway. If they don't have most of the hospitals they will have their foot in their door in medicine to acquire more "who need a bailout b/c they aren't doing well" and will pay for it out of tax dollars, subsidize medicine, and push its own agenda and can socialize medicine without a vote. If the hospitals that won't perform an abortion close are sold to someone else who will perform abortions or say they kick the bishop off the board, it doesn't matter how many abortion clinics will have closed or if there are no clinics in South Dakota b/c every hospital will be an abortion provider. You can't shut down a hospital like you can a clinic b/c they have so much more resources from other areas of surgery. I pray this doesn't come to happen because if it does it will be very bleak. Also guys even if FOCA fails which I expect be watchful they don't chop it up and pass it little bits at a time. That would be another major defeat. I don't mean to be bleak but remember that our hope is in Christ!

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='Arpy' post='1763747' date='Jan 27 2009, 05:36 PM']Maybe we should stage a revolution?[/quote]
If we had an "Israël", but for Catholics, I would seriously move there when I was older. The Vatican nonwithstanding; I mean a residential state.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1763931' date='Jan 27 2009, 06:20 PM']If we had an "Israël", but for Catholics, I would seriously move there when I was older. The Vatican nonwithstanding; I mean a residential state.[/quote]
Let's just take over the rest of Italy. It's pretty.
The Swiss Guard could take 'em on any day.