Lounge Daddy Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 [url="http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.8f87fb2a7e55fa1a4415bdfd6c915b3e.521&show_article=1"]From an article at Breitbart [/url] [indent]Attacks on Pope Benedict XVI's decision to lift the excommunication of a Holocaust denier escalated Monday, with one theologian calling on him to step down as the head of the Roman Catholic Church. Criticism following the pope's January 24 announcement has been particularly cutting in Germany, where denying the Holocaust is a crime punishable with a jail sentence. "If the pope wants to do some good for the Church, he should leave his job," eminent liberal Catholic theologian Hermann Haering told the German daily Tageszeitung. "That would not be a scandal, a bishop has to relinquish his position at 75 years, a cardinal loses his rights at 80 years," he said. Pope Benedict is 81. Meanwhile, a senior Vatican official acknowledged the Vatican administration may have made "management errors" with the decision to lift excommunication against four bishops, including Richard Williamson, whose comments sparked the controversy. "I observe the debate with great concern. There were misunderstandings and management errors in the Curia," said Cardinal Walter Kasper, who is in charge of the Vatican department that deals with Jewish relations. "The Pope wanted to open the debate because he wanted unity inside and outside," the German cardinal told Vatican Radio. He also noted that "these bishops are still suspended."[/indent] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 +J.M.J.+ gasp! the Church accepts sinners into her ranks! what a shock that not everyone is a saint already! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerlina Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 This is what worried me about the whole SSPX thing... -Katie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Therese Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 I always have a chuckle when people think they can tell the Pope what to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Daddy Posted February 3, 2009 Author Share Posted February 3, 2009 I don't know what bothers me more... #1 That some people are saying the Pope should step down (ludicrous) for lifting an excommunication of some Bishops who are actually still suspended. Or, #2, that the German Government throws people in jail for having an opinion, even a ridiculous one. I think #2 bothers me more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 [quote name='Tinkerlina' post='1770451' date='Feb 2 2009, 09:16 PM']This is what worried me about the whole SSPX thing... -Katie[/quote] +J.M.J.+ why worry? do you think that the Pope actually cares what liberal or 'extreme traditionalist' bishops or cardinals or laypeople say? he cares what is good for the Church as a whole, in her entirety. in my opinion, that means looking back to our beginning, and looking forward to our future, not just being concerned with the last 50 years or the next 50 years. now that i've typed that i'm not sure that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 [quote name='Lounge Daddy' post='1770462' date='Feb 2 2009, 09:20 PM']I don't know what bothers me more... #1 That some people are saying the Pope should step down (ludicrous) for lifting an excommunication of some Bishops who are actually still suspended. Or, #2, that the German Government throws people in jail for having an opinion, even a ridiculous one. I think #2 bothers me more.[/quote] +J.M.J.+ i agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Daddy Posted February 3, 2009 Author Share Posted February 3, 2009 [quote name='Lil Red' post='1770448' date='Feb 3 2009, 12:15 AM']+J.M.J.+ gasp! the Church accepts sinners into her ranks! what a shock that not everyone is a saint already! [/quote] Crazy, isn't it. Even Judas was voted off the island. What is this Pope think he is doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerlina Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 [quote name='Lil Red' post='1770464' date='Feb 3 2009, 12:21 AM']+J.M.J.+ why worry? do you think that the Pope actually cares what liberal or 'extreme traditionalist' bishops or cardinals or laypeople say? he cares what is good for the Church as a whole, in her entirety. in my opinion, that means looking back to our beginning, and looking forward to our future, not just being concerned with the last 50 years or the next 50 years. now that i've typed that i'm not sure that makes sense.[/quote] No, I'm worried that people are getting the wrong idea about Catholicism being anti-semitic. -Katie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Therese Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 I think our current Holy Father will have just as big an impact on history as JP2, if not more. His reforms may be more far reaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 [quote name='Tinkerlina' post='1770475' date='Feb 2 2009, 09:24 PM']No, I'm worried that people are getting the wrong idea about Catholicism being anti-semitic. -Katie[/quote] +J.M.J.+ lol, okay. i took your statement the other way. well, in a way it stinks, but the Church has weathered this accusation before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Why am I not surprised at the "liberal" in front of "Catholic Theologian." Maybe this guy has been looking for an excuse to make an attack because he's afraid his days may be numbered. The best defense is a good offense. The problem is he doesn't realize his pop gun isn't going to measure up against the Pope's howitzers in a real battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 [quote name='Lounge Daddy' post='1770471' date='Feb 2 2009, 09:23 PM']Crazy, isn't it. Even Judas was voted off the island. What is this Pope think he is doing?[/quote] +J.M.J.+ he's just a crazy old man /sarcasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerlina Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Lil Red' post='1770480' date='Feb 3 2009, 12:25 AM']+J.M.J.+ lol, okay. i took your statement the other way. well, in a way it stinks, but the Church has weathered this accusation before.[/quote] Yes, that's true. It just makes me sad because honestly if I were viewing this from the outside I would probably get that impression too based on things like this. I'll pray for the Pope and for this issue especially today.-Katie Edited February 3, 2009 by Tinkerlina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 [quote name='Tinkerlina' post='1770484' date='Feb 2 2009, 09:26 PM']Yes, that's true. It just makes me sad because honestly if I were viewing this from the outside I would probably get that impression too based on things like this. -Katie[/quote] +J.M.J.+ that's why we need to pray for great saints to be raised up out of this and to be a shining example for Catholics and non-Catholics alike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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