Apotheoun Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 [quote name='qfnol31' post='1775611' date='Feb 7 2009, 10:55 PM']The only problem with this is that originally Lefebvre agreed to one...it's that he changed his mind that makes me wonder what he was thinking.[/quote] To be honest I think he was right to change his mind. The fraternity celebrated only according to the old Roman Rite, as it still does, and its bishops should be ordained by those who themselves were ordained using that rite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Well, the current understanding is that it is the same rite...I think this is something that will have to be addressed soon by the two parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 So what was the point of them removing the stuff from their website? Suddenly they have seen the light? Do ya seriously believe they just had a St. Paul moment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 I probably should make something clear, because as an Eastern Catholic I am not a "fan" of the SSPX. In fact, the SSPX would probably consider the theology of my Church to be heretical, and so Eastern Catholics do not really get any direct benefit out of the restoration of communion between the Roman Church and the SSPX. Nevertheless, indirectly I believe that the Eastern Catholic Churches will benefit – even though there is a grave danger for Byzantines in all of this – from the reassertion of a more traditional Latin theology in the Roman Church after the reintegration of the SSPX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 [quote name='qfnol31' post='1775616' date='Feb 7 2009, 10:59 PM']Well, the current understanding is that it is the same rite...I think this is something that will have to be addressed soon by the two parties.[/quote] Yes, Rome claims that to be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Therese Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 I see this re-unification as a catalyst for positive renewal within the rest of the Church. I think Benedict XVI is a very amazing man. God bless him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 [quote name='Saint Therese' post='1775623' date='Feb 7 2009, 11:05 PM']I see this re-unification as a catalyst for positive renewal within the rest of the Church. I think Benedict XVI is a very amazing man. God bless him.[/quote] I would only slightly modify your comment: "I see this re-unification as a catalyst for positive renewal within the [b]Latin[/b] Church." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1775620' date='Feb 8 2009, 01:04 AM']So what was the point of them removing the stuff from their website? Suddenly they have seen the light? Do ya seriously believe they just had a St. Paul moment?[/quote] I haven't seen anything removed, except the anti-Semitic comments...though I guess that's a step. Honestly, no one seems to care for the old tracts any more. No one has updated the apologetic stuff since well before the motu proprio. [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1775621' date='Feb 8 2009, 01:04 AM']I probably should make something clear, because as an Eastern Catholic I am not a "fan" of the SSPX. In fact, the SSPX would probably consider the theology of my Church to be heretical, and so Eastern Catholics do not really get any direct benefit out of the restoration of communion between the Roman Church and the SSPX. Nevertheless, indirectly I believe that the Eastern Catholic Churches will benefit – even though there is a grave danger for Byzantines in all of this – from the reassertion of a more traditional Latin theology in the Roman Church after the reintegration of the SSPX.[/quote] I figured you were somewhere along those lines. A couple of the Ukrainians seminarians I know fall into this same opinion. Speaking of abuses with Holy Communion, I am probably overused for it...oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1775620' date='Feb 7 2009, 11:04 PM']So what was the point of them removing the stuff from their website? Suddenly they have seen the light? Do ya seriously believe they just had a St. Paul moment?[/quote] No. They simply gave into political correctness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Therese Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 That's what I meant, of course. On a side note-I visited a Maronite Rite church once. I so wanted to attend their Mass, or Divine Liturgy. Their church was very edifying-very beauitifully decorated. The people that were in the chapel were quiet and prayerful, which is hard to find in most Latin rite churches.It was nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted February 8, 2009 Author Share Posted February 8, 2009 +Fellay is cleaning house here; these statements were never really the official stand of the SSPX nor were they essential to the Society's mission. Apo, the removed statements are not holocaust related (there were never any holocaust related links on their website) but actually related to the idea of collective guilt of all Jews in particular for the death of Christ... less about political correctness and more related to actual doctrinal points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1775627' date='Feb 8 2009, 02:09 AM']No. They simply gave into political correctness.[/quote] I guess I am a bit more cynical, I would call it political expediency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 I am very happy to see Fellay's quick "Spring cleaning." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 (edited) [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1775632' date='Feb 7 2009, 11:12 PM']I guess i am a bit more cynical, i would call it political expedientcy.[/quote] Well, if I were their webmaster I would have the following posted on the main page of the SSPX website: [size=7]Rabbinic Judaism is not salvific.[/size] Edited February 8, 2009 by Apotheoun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Therese Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Why is that controversial? Idgi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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