The Extraordinary Masses We Could Be Getting In...

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1776354' date='Feb 8 2009, 10:37 PM']And just as many are interested.[/quote]
I seriously doubt it. Not one person in my age bracket or older that I have ever talked to outside of Phatmass are seriously interested in it as a weekly Mass.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1776394' date='Feb 8 2009, 11:00 PM']I seriously doubt it. Not one person in my age bracket or older that I have ever talked to outside of Phatmass are seriously interested in it as a weekly Mass.[/quote]

Well... many of the people at Phatmass are younger, and so are the people interested in the TLM. Typically when a TLM is offered the Church is packed to the brim.

Edited February 9, 2009 by KnightofChrist

[Apotheoun]

Many of my friends in the Latin rite would go to SSPX chapels if they could. But who knows what will happen in the future.

[CatholicCid]

I think it would depend on area. I personally have attended the EF of the Mass and enjoyed it. I plan to attend again. But, at the same time, the OF was the Mass I grew up with and is the Mass I prefer to attend. Yet, of course, Mass is Mass is Mass.

I have also helped with petitions to start the EF in the Diocese I am currently in. Before the MP, there was little luck and little interest. The one EF held in the Diocese somewhat after the MP resulted in a large crowd, about an average OF attendance for the Church in use, but many people had driven from large distances and some parishioners who normally attend Mass at that time regardless of the form.

There is already 1 frequent Mass in the EF that I know of within driving distance and a closer one will be starting this month. Frequency will depend on attendance, so it will be very interesting to see the demand from the faithful.

As for age being an issue, we are in a very diverse age range, so that will also be very interesting to see who turns out.

Edited February 9, 2009 by CatholicCid

[puellapaschalis]

[quote name='VeniteAdoremus' post='1776153' date='Feb 9 2009, 02:04 AM']I was thinking about that - because getting them back in the Church would [i]not[/i] make them part of the Order. And I don't get the idea the current Master to just stamp "approved" on them.

I wonder how they plan to fix it...[/quote]

"SSPX" refers strictly to the priestly society, but is being used much more broadly which can be confusing. Each congregation which shares the SSPX's positions have to be individually reconciled, I think - cf. the case with the Transalpine Redemptorists. The "mainstream" Redemptorists would have [i]nothing[/i] to do with them (which I found very disappointing), so effectively they're on their own, in their "new" Redemptorist congregation.

[Roamin'Catholic]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1775866' date='Feb 8 2009, 01:56 PM']I thought that the SSPX were going to be made into a personal prelature like Opus Dei.[/quote]

So did I but, turns out the SSPX don't really want this. They don't feel its an appropriate fit for their organization, and are suspicious that this form will still put them under the thumb of a local bishop.

[Aloysius]

it really seems to me that the SSPX is to be given a type of amnesty regarding their past extra-canonical affairs.

when i speak of diocesan oppression, I speak of all those dioceses which have been putting out norms for the implementation of Summorum Pontificum which, in effect, absolutely ignore the fact that Summorum Pontificum makes it clear that the Bishop has no authority to forbid/restrict the mass; he must oveersee it when any parish priest wishes to use it (at the request of the faithful or simply as an expression of the faculties he has as a Roman Rite priest to say this use of the mass, because all Roman Rite priests have these faculties) the same way he is to oversee the celebration of the Ordinary Form; he cannot restrict it any more than he can restrict priests from celebrating the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite... and bishops left and right are claiming to be able to restrict it in those ways when they cannot licitly do so.

it's really an issue of how many faithful want it AND how many priests wish to say it; both the priests and the faithful have been granted very generous rights regarding this use of the Rite and those rights are trampled by requirements to be fluent in latin (rather than simply competent in the rites in latin) or to not schedule it publicly (though pastors are to have full rights to schedule it publicly whenever they wish). these norms are oppressive of the rights of Catholics granted by Summorum Pontificum.

[doe-jo]

[quote name='Aloysius' post='1775691' date='Feb 8 2009, 12:56 AM']SSPX chapels in the US (zoom out to see some in Alaska and Hawaii too)
[url="http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&om=1&msa=0&msid=108690725629687888796.0000011257517f0a77875&om=1&ll=39.707187,-95.800781&spn=29.826281,59.238281&z=4"]http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&amp....238281&z=4[/url]



add that to the FSSP masses in the US:
[url="http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=118244627700799223377.0000011252fa5c1685c7e&om=1&ll=39.707187,-95.800781&spn=29.826281,59.238281&z=4"]http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&amp....238281&z=4[/url]

and this doesn't account for all the diocesan ones either... the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite is on the rise! Te Deum Laudamus![/quote]
I think they haven't updated the FSSP masses in the US because I know San Diego just gave a parish to them December 2008. I was there for their first mass without even knowing it.

[url="http://www.sandiego-tlmc.org/"]http://www.sandiego-tlmc.org/[/url]

[Church Punk]

[quote name='Aloysius' post='1775691' date='Feb 8 2009, 03:56 AM']SSPX chapels in the US (zoom out to see some in Alaska and Hawaii too)
[url="http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&om=1&msa=0&msid=108690725629687888796.0000011257517f0a77875&om=1&ll=39.707187,-95.800781&spn=29.826281,59.238281&z=4"]http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&amp....238281&z=4[/url]



add that to the FSSP masses in the US:
[url="http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=118244627700799223377.0000011252fa5c1685c7e&om=1&ll=39.707187,-95.800781&spn=29.826281,59.238281&z=4"]http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&amp....238281&z=4[/url]

and this doesn't account for all the diocesan ones either... the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite is on the rise! Te Deum Laudamus![/quote]

Sounds great. I was going to say, in Detroit Archdiocease alone there are 15 parishes that offer EF simply by priest who want to have the Tridentine mass on a monthly/ quarterly basis.

Which there was more in Canada
Deo Gratias

[CatholicCid]

Al,

While the Priests and Faithful do have rights, so do the Bishops, which generally includes deciding which Orders can enter their Diocese. I would hope the Holy Father would allow some provisions that give the Bishops some voice if they wish to have the SSPX enter their Diocese or not before they would be allowed to do so.

The Bishop of a Diocese cannot, of course, restrict whether a Priest says the OF or the EF. I also believe that a Priest should not be openly practicing in a Diocese where he has not been granted faculties, but I suppose I could be mistaken on the Canonical Laws there.

SP also had a built in mechanism to deal with said "abuses", so they should be dealt with accordingly.