Need Some Serious Help

[gamesfanatic04]

Serious question, I moved to the Orlando Diocese and have found it to be Heretical with a capital H. At least every church within 40 mins of my house is. I have been to Clown sunday and went to a church that offered confesions in a hall way on lawn chairs while people just walk by. So out of this desperation I found a Traditional Anglican Church and an SSPX chapel. I have attended daily mass and this Sunday's mass at the TAC church because it is much closer than the SSPX.

I really like the clergy at this church, and I really like the mass offered, complete with rosary before mass and prayer to St. Micheal the Archangel after. I like how thier mass is a translation of the latin, not a fabrication of modernism. Now I wouldn't have ever thought of going if the TAC was not asking for full communion, nor would I continue to go if any of the clergy there expressed an opposite desire. My worry is this, I was raised in the Presbyterian church, which takes liberally from the Anglican, I am worried that I am partial to this church becasue of that background.

I dont have any particualr fidelity to the TLM, just orthodoxy. I cant find that in my area in the Novous Ordo. So what I want to know is if you were in my shoes would you go with the TAC that proclaim thier desire to be with Rome at every mass and has a priest that tells me that "with every breath we yearn for the Magesterium" or attened the SSPX which is beautiful, orthodox and traditonla, but is 40 minutes away (I am unemployed, so gas money is a huge issue). Thank you and please pray.

Edited February 8, 2009 by gamesfanatic04

[CatherineM]

If the TAC yearns to be with Rome, it is quite easy, they just have to be willing to be obedient to all the Church's teaching. That's what we are called to be as well, obedient. One of the big rules that we have to be obedient to is to attend mass on Sundays and Holy Days at churches that are in communion with the local diocese and Rome. There are parts of the service at any church that aren't going to be completely on par with our ideal. The church isn't supposed to meet every person's perfect expectations. The church just is, and it is we who are called to change, not the church. It is up to our bishops to decide what is orthodox, not us.

[Veridicus]

Praying for you...and for Orlando.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='gamesfanatic04' post='1775974' date='Feb 8 2009, 05:10 PM']Serious question, I moved to the Orlando Diocese and have found it to be Heretical with a capital H. At least every church within 40 mins of my house is. I have been to Clown sunday and went to a church that offered confesions in a hall way on lawn chairs while people just walk by. So out of this desperation I found a Traditional Anglican Church and an SSPX chapel. I have attended daily mass and this Sunday's mass at the TAC church because it is much closer than the SSPX.

I really like the clergy at this church, and I really like the mass offered, complete with rosary before mass and prayer to St. Micheal the Archangel after. I like how thier mass is a translation of the latin, not a fabrication of modernism. Now I wouldn't have ever thought of going if the TAC was not asking for full communion, nor would I continue to go if any of the clergy there expressed an opposite desire. My worry is this, I was raised in the Presbyterian church, which takes liberally from the Anglican, I am worried that I am partial to this church becasue of that background.

I dont have any particualr fidelity to the TLM, just orthodoxy. I cant find that in my area in the Novous Ordo. So what I want to know is if you were in my shoes would you go with the TAC that proclaim thier desire to be with Rome at every mass and has a priest that tells me that "with every breath we yearn for the Magesterium" or attened the SSPX which is beautiful, orthodox and traditonla, but is 40 minutes away (I am unemployed, so gas money is a huge issue). Thank you and please pray.[/quote]
The bottom line is are they doing the Eucharist correctly?

[gamesfanatic04]

Techincally yes, but something about having a clown give you the Eucharist didn't sit right with me.

[HisChildForever]

What is up with this clown stuff??

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1776934' date='Feb 9 2009, 03:53 PM']What is up with this clown stuff??[/quote]
Can you google for it? We really hate it when PM is polluted by those pics.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='gamesfanatic04' post='1775974' date='Feb 8 2009, 02:10 PM']I have been to Clown sunday[/quote]is the Eucharist valid? that is of utmost importance. that the Masses are illicit is most likely a given. but was it an invalid Mass?

[quote name='gamesfanatic04' post='1775974' date='Feb 8 2009, 02:10 PM']and went to a church that offered confesions in a hall way on lawn chairs while people just walk by.[/quote]at least people are in line for confession. and did you go to confession there? do you *know* that they are offering confessions that are not valid? they may be illicit but are they invalid?

as my priest friend says:
"An invalid Mass is where Jesus doesn't even show up (present in the Eucharist he means).
An illicit Mass is where He's there, but He ain't happy about it!"

does it absolutely stink to go to Masses that make a mockery of what Mass is supposed to be? yes, it does, and I've been there. but as CatherineM says:
[quote name='CatherineM' post='1776115' date='Feb 8 2009, 03:33 PM']That's what we are called to be as well, obedient. One of the big rules that we have to be obedient to is to attend mass on Sundays and Holy Days at churches [b][u]that are in communion with the local diocese and Rome.[/u][/b] There are parts of the service at any church that aren't going to be completely on par with our ideal. The church isn't supposed to meet every person's perfect expectations. The church just is, and it is we who are called to change, not the church. It is up to our bishops to decide what is orthodox, not us.[/quote]

God bless and I will pray.

edit: a thought i had, are there any Eastern rite Catholic churches in your area you could attend (that are in union with Rome)? you should ask Apotheoun - he might know of a resource for you.

[havok579257]

confession does not need to be in a confessional. confession can happen ANYWHERE. having out in the open does not make it wrong. it may make it uncomfortable, but not wrong.

[Dave]

Anglicans (even traditional Anglicans) don't have valid orders and thus don't have valid sacraments. So if you go to church at an Anglican church, you haven't fulfilled your Sunday obligation. In addition, it's objectively a mortal sin for a Catholic to actively participate in a non-Catholic worship service (e.g. singing hymns with the congregation, joining in the congregational prayers, but most especially receiving what they call "holy communion").

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Dave' post='1777163' date='Feb 9 2009, 08:12 PM']Anglicans (even traditional Anglicans) don't have valid orders and thus don't have valid sacraments. So if you go to church at an Anglican church, you haven't fulfilled your Sunday obligation. In addition, it's objectively a mortal sin for a Catholic to actively participate in a non-Catholic worship service (e.g. singing hymns with the congregation, joining in the congregational prayers, but most especially receiving what they call "holy communion").[/quote]
No it doesn't fulfill your Sunday obligation. But there is a major difference between singing "Amazing Grace" in a protestant church and receiving their communion. The first is acceptable, the second is a mortal sin.

[TradMom]

+Praised be Jesus Christ!

When all else fails...why not contact the list of brothers and priests I found for you - this is from the website provided by the Diocese, so all listed will be in communion with Rome. Most of them celebrate Mass and are good enough to welcome others. I cannot imagine that any of these good priests would offer Masses out of bounds. I have no idea how big your area is, but I would guess that there has to be something close by that will be orthodox, respectful and spiritually enriching. I have gone to some excellent Masses by the Passionists, and I find they are very good. I am sure the Augustinian Monks are also excellent.

Congregation of Christian
Brothers
(Eastern U.S. American Province)
1384 S.E. 54th Place
Ocala 34480
Tel: 352-622-1374
Brother Thomas “Andrew” Prendergast, C.F.C.

Congregation of the
Passion
Bethany House of Beutel
Sacred Heart Community
(Prayer Center for Passionist
Priests and Brothers)
1600 Lakeside Drive
Orlando 32803-1508
Tel: 407-894-8175
Fax: 407-897-1133
Rev. Jordan Grimes, C.P., Superior
Rev. Emmet Linden, C.P.

Congregation of Holy Cross
(Eastern Province)
Christopher Lodge
325 Arthur Avenue
Cocoa Beach, 32931-4065
Tel: 321-799-8383
Fax: 321-783-6312

Bro. Dennis Fleming, Supeior
Rev. Frederick Serriano, C.S.C., Assistant Superior
Rev. William H. Donahue, C.S.C.
Rev. Cajetan Holland, C.S.C.
Rev. C. Stephen Lambour, C.S.C.
Rev. Joseph John Long, C.S.C.
Rev. Robert E. McDonnell, C.S.C.
Rev. James Murphy, C.S.C.

Presentation Brothers
(North American Region)
1602 Pettis Blvd.
Kissimmee 34741-3117
Tel: 407-846-2033
Fax: 407-846-7473

Brother James Needham, F.P.M.
Holy Redeemer Church, Kissimmee

Brother Francis Schafer, F.P.M.
Holy Redeemer Church, Kissimmee


Redemptorists

St. Alphonsus Villa
313 Hillman Street
New Smyrna Beach
32168-1529
Mail:
P.O. Box 1529
New Smyrna Beach
32170-1529
Tel: 386-427-3094
Fax: 386-423-1270

Rev. Jerome Chavarria, C.S.S.R.

Retired Priests at St. Alphonsus Villa:

Rev. George Dorn, Vice-Rector & Director
Rev. Donald Bolton
Rev. Joseph Gribbon
Rev. Joseph Gorney
Rev. Frank Jennings
Rev. Leo Lanigan
Rev. James McGonagle
Rev. Jerome Murphy
Bro. Thomas Rochacewicz
Rev. Francis Sands
Rev. Alfred Sieradski

Third Order Regular of St.
Francis
(Franciscan Friars)
San Pedro Center
2400 Dike Road
Winter Park 32792
Tel: 407-671-6322
Fax: 407-671-3992

Rev. Carl Vacek, T.O.R.
Rev. Vianney Cunningham, T.O. R.

In residence only:
Rev. Columba Enright, T.O.R.
Rev. Patrick Seelman, T.O.R.

Villa Madonna
4385 Saxon Avenue
New Smyrna Beach 32169-4134
Tel: 386-427-4660

Rev. Seraphin Conley, T.O.R.
Rev. Seamus Corcoran, T.O.R.

Augustinian Monks of the Primitive Observance
Mother of the Good Shepherd Monastery
Father A.M. Seamus of Jesus, O.S.A., Prim, Abbot;
2075 Mercers Fernery Road
DeLand, FL 32720
Tel: 386-736-4321
Fax: 386-736-8148
E-mail: monks@augustinianmonks.com
Website: [url="http://www.augustinianmonks.com"]http://www.augustinianmonks.com[/url]

I also found some additional resources from their website:

St. Leo's Abbey (Benedictine) (352)-588-8624

Benedictine Sisters of Florida (federation of St. Scholastica!)
Holy Name Monastery
P.O. Box 2450
St. Leo, FL 33574-2450
Phone: 352-588-8320
Fax: 352-588-8319

Knights of Columbus (they will help you!) 407-870-9828

Lay Carmelites of Central Florida (ask for a parish they recommend!) sriddle415@yahoo.com or
krville@cfl.rr.com (***They have many parishes listed on their website!)

Legion of Mary: 407-847-6061

Regnum Christi Apostolic Movement (under the spiritual direction of theLegionaries of Christ)
407-366-7081


I am sure you will find something in the midst of all these resources! Good luck, and may God bless you for your faithfulness!

In Him,

Tradmom

[Dave]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1777931' date='Feb 10 2009, 01:08 PM']No it doesn't fulfill your Sunday obligation. But there is a major difference between singing "Amazing Grace" in a protestant church and receiving their communion. The first is acceptable, the second is a mortal sin.[/quote]

I'm just saying what my priest said. He said it would also be wrong to join in singing their hymns and praying their prayers. I mean, the Church says we're not to participate in non-Catholic worship but that going as an observer would be different. So what constitutes participation? Receiving their "sacraments," of course, but why wouldn't joining them in singing or praying be participating in their worship?

Edited February 11, 2009 by Dave

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Dave' post='1777163' date='Feb 9 2009, 06:12 PM']Anglicans (even traditional Anglicans) don't have valid orders and thus don't have valid sacraments. So if you go to church at an Anglican church, you haven't fulfilled your Sunday obligation. In addition, it's objectively a mortal sin for a Catholic to actively participate in a non-Catholic worship service (e.g. singing hymns with the congregation, joining in the congregational prayers, but most especially receiving what they call "holy communion").[/quote]
Except those few former Protestant churches that returned to the Church and retain some sort of different mass. Am I right?
Anglican use or something I think.

[Dave]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1778459' date='Feb 10 2009, 11:54 PM']Except those few former Protestant churches that returned to the Church and retain some sort of different mass. Am I right?
Anglican use or something I think.[/quote]

Yes, but they don't count as Protestants, 'cause they're Catholic.