Nihil Obstat Posted February 9, 2009 Author Share Posted February 9, 2009 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1776643' date='Feb 8 2009, 11:40 PM']Mine are protestants. Sigh.[/quote] Well then you know all about it too! I guess you're not as uncomfortable correcting them though? I imagine what you felt about the priest is exactly the same way I feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1776645' date='Feb 9 2009, 01:42 AM']Well then you know all about it too! I guess you're not as uncomfortable correcting them though? I imagine what you felt about the priest is exactly the same way I feel.[/quote] Well, we agree on most things. The things that we don't, we already know (been there, had that argument, done that), so there isn't much correction happening. I hold my priest in a much different regard from my parents though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniteAdoremus Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1776641' date='Feb 9 2009, 07:39 AM']It's probably not very common that the kid is more traditional and socially conservative than the parents... [/quote] It is in my circles. Most of our parents are ex-hippies Correcting my priest... is really tough. Sometimes I say something like "Oh, today's second reading is very nice", but... he's a priest! Another priest (a very cool one) told me that it's the people who [i]respect[/i] their priests that get the most trouble with liberal priests. More often than not they don't want to be respected! Well, I'm going to do it anyway, puh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puellapaschalis Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 At my church the 2nd reading at Sunday Mass is skipped about once a month for the "Family Mass". Please don't get me started! - two kids reading the Gospel with Fr., in the style of the long Gospel narrative we hear on Palm Sunday; - great big camp fire altar-encircling hands-hold Our Father-fest; - kids doing the intercessions who really cannot read in public and clearly haven't been given any training (in my day a teacher told us what to do, and I was told if I didn't do it properly, she'd take my violin bow and fix it in my mouth sideways!). But rumour has it we're actually the "best" parish in the diocese as this only happens once a month. In other places you can find altar servers being much too visible, choirs sitting between the altar and the old altar, priests using "Eucharistic Prayers" which they wrote themselves last night over a glass of sherry (never mind that there's a silly amount of EPs "permitted" in the Netherlands anyway).... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleFan Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Yesterday evening at Mass I was listening intently to the homily, as I always do, and couldn't believe it when I noticed in the corner of my eye... a lady smokin' a cigaratte! Tell you what... I just about spilled my beer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veridicus Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 [quote name='TotusTuusMaria' post='1776519' date='Feb 8 2009, 11:24 PM']If my memory serves me, I believe it is actually a heresy to believe that one must receive under both forms...[/quote] I wasn't trying to state that one needed to receive under both forms. Actually I think I stated "it had long before been decided that the entirety of the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ were fully present under [u]either [/u]species." And yes, it is heretical to claim that any one of the two species is somehow lacking in the fullness of the Eucharistic presence of Christ. My point was that after Vatican II, Catholics had an increasing likelihood of attending a Mass where the Blesses Sacrament was distributed under both species to the faithful. It has been explained to me that the reason for distributing the Precious Blood was to help the laity experience the Eucharisitic Liturgy under both species, like the Priest always had. Consuming the Precious Blood in addition to the Sacred Body draws on more physical senses and may allow for a more 'immersive' experience or something...I was NOT trying to say that either species was somehow lacking in grace or sacramentality..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veridicus Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 [quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1776736' date='Feb 9 2009, 09:07 AM']Yesterday evening at Mass I was listening intently to the homily, as I always do, and couldn't believe it when I noticed in the corner of my eye... a lady smokin' a cigaratte! Tell you what... I just about spilled my beer![/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinytherese Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 (edited) During freshmen year of high school at a school mass the priest announced just before distrubuting communion that according to the rules of the church that a song was to be played with reverence for the eucharist. So a lovely reverent one was played and sung by the choir, the problem was that the song was really speady, and it was supposed to be a slower and more reflective song but I have never heard a song at mass sped up so quickly before. Then a contemporary rock christian song was immediately played that didn't seem to have anything to do with the eucharist. I went up to communion furious at what was going on. I remember during those high school masses that hardly anyone in the audience sang, hardly anyone. Sometimes the choir seemed to be in concert mode, though sometimes we actually were encouraged to sing, unfortunately few did. Also, when this one priest was at there he rarely gave a homily and when he did it would usually be him encouraging us to get involved in volunteer work. Sure volunteering is good but come on there are other homily topics to bring up. And who says that we can't serve God and others in other ways then at a place like Meals on Wheels? Catholicism isn't about volunteer recruitment. What Blessed Mother Teresa of Calcutta did was truly inspiring but not everyone is called to do that. When he wasn't the one giving the homily, students would do a skit to make people laugh. The messages conveyed were so superficial and were ignored because people got so stuck on how funny they were or how funny they were trying to be. By the way, are we supposed to kneel during the consecration? We were in bleachers or folding chairs we stood up and bowed when the priest knelt. I know of one parish were the church just has folding chairs, which they say are just temporary but they've been around for like fourteen years. They don't kneel. One girl at my college goes to a parish where there are some kneelers but they don't use them because not everyone has them. Their bishop isn't happy with that! Honestly, why they can't just make more kneelers so that everyone is "equal" and can kneel is beyond me. Correct me if I'm wrong. I wish that there was a way so that all liturgical abuses could be stopped and corrected and that there were actually penalties for going against church teaching on the celebration of the mass. How cool would if there were secret agents that would attend mass at a parish to investigate if there are any liturgical abuses going on and then report any so that these abuses would stop. "I'm a liturgical cop and you are under arrest." Edited February 9, 2009 by tinytherese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoecool13 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1776599' date='Feb 9 2009, 12:19 AM']Here's something of an abuse. After I was received into the church, I took up the practice of genuflecting before I received communion. Months later, in the confessional, the priest told me that I wasn't to do that any more. (Even though the USCCB says I can...I don't want to argue with him though. He is the priest after all.) It's really hard for me not to do it. [/quote] Did he feel as if you were doing it to be "showy"? There's a fine line between being reverent, and then doing something that everyone around you is going to notice. If everyone else is noticing, then you may be taking away their time of prayer because now they're thinking about you, and not the Eucharist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 [quote name='Zoecool13' post='1776788' date='Feb 9 2009, 12:52 PM']Did he feel as if you were doing it to be "showy"? There's a fine line between being reverent, and then doing something that everyone around you is going to notice. If everyone else is noticing, then you may be taking away their time of prayer because now they're thinking about you, and not the Eucharist.[/quote] He did say that, but he also said that it was forbidden by the bishops in this country. I mean, It's not like I do this long, drawn out, showy genuflection. The one I do/did before communion was more compact and quicker than the one I do in front of the tabernacle. Even still, I wonder if he says anything to the significant part of the congregation that doesn't make any reverent gesture whatsoever... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doe-jo Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 I live in Southern California. Our vocations director is a nun. The diocese right next to ours is Los Angeles who is under Cardinal Mahoney. So just imagine what kind of abuses go on during Mass down here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 [quote name='doe-jo' post='1776793' date='Feb 9 2009, 01:05 PM']I live in Southern California. Our vocations director is a nun. The diocese right next to ours is Los Angeles who is under Cardinal Mahoney. So just imagine what kind of abuses go on during Mass down here.[/quote] Despite what I've said, we're actually very lucky to have a bishop such as +Galleone. His episcopacy fits in very well with Pope Benedict's papacy - he's very orthodox and comfortably traditional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 [quote name='puellapaschalis' post='1776706' date='Feb 9 2009, 02:49 AM']At my church the 2nd reading at Sunday Mass is skipped about once a month for the "Family Mass". Please don't get me started![/quote] +J.M.J.+ any time we have baptisms at Mass - the second reading is skipped. any time we have anointing of the sick at Mass - the second reading is skipped. any time we do anything 'extra' - the second reading is skipped. what i infer from this is that the second reading is not really important, and is expendable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1776625' date='Feb 9 2009, 01:28 AM']I guess that wouldn't be a bad idea, but I would feel really awkward about correcting a priest.[/quote] O didn't say correct him, just go in all confused and ask him when it was changed from what you have in your hand. Ask him if its something your bishop decided. Its not a lie to say your confused about it, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veridicus Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 [quote name='Lil Red' post='1776808' date='Feb 9 2009, 12:26 PM']...what i infer from this is that the second reading is not really important, and is expendable.[/quote] Well definitely. The Liturgy is supposed to communicated doctrine right? Wasn't there something at the Council of Florence about how the epistles were "soooooo first century" and expendible? And then again at the Council of Trent where it was decided that "Paul's run-on sentences, overuse of semicolons, and at times commanding tone were distasteful to modern sentiments and thus should be avoided when possible within the Liturgy." I'll have to reference those quotes for you... Kyrie Eleison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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