Lil Red Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 [quote name='havok579257' post='1776939' date='Feb 9 2009, 01:07 PM']speaking about the church i went to with no wine, also a guest priest performed mass today. he gave a short homily and they talked about catholic relief services(which i have no issue with) but then when he was done the whole church gave a round of applause. i thoght that, that was very weird.[/quote] +J.M.J.+ Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger (future Pope Benedict XVI): "Wherever applause breaks out in the liturgy because of some human achievement, it is a sure sign that the essence of liturgy has totally disappeared and been replaced by a kind of religious entertainment. Such attraction fades quickly - it cannot compete in the market of leisure pursuits, incorporating as it increasingly does various forms of religious titillation." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 +J.M.J.+ Found this from [url="http://www.adoremus.org/0505Arinze.html"]adoremus.org[/url]: [quote]7. Making the Mass Interesting Many priests are concerned with making the Eucharist celebration interesting. And they are not wrong. The Mass is not a dull carrying out of rituals. It is a vital celebration of the central mysteries of our salvation. Care should be taken to prepare well for each celebration. The texts to be read, sung or proclaimed should be well studied in good time. The vestments and all altar fittings and furnishings should be in good taste. The people who carry out the roles of priest celebrant, altar servers, leader of song, readers of lessons, etc., should be at their best. The homily should give the people solid liturgical, theological and spiritual nourishment. If all that is done, the Mass will not be dull. But when all is said and done, we have to come back to the fact that the Mass is not there to entertain people. Such horizontalism would be out of place. [b]People do not come to Mass in order to admire the preacher, or the choir or the readers.[/b] The priority movement or direction of the Mass is vertical, toward God, not horizontal, toward one another. What the people need is a faith-filled celebration, a spiritual experience which draws them to God and therefore also to their neighbor. [b]As a by-product, such a celebration will capture the people's interest and attention.[/b] It is also useful to remark that repetition of faith formulae and symbols, or of familiar words and gestures, need not make a liturgical celebration uninteresting. It matters, however, to what extent these formulae are understood, hence the importance of catechesis. In our daily lives, is it uninteresting for us to repeat our names or those of our loved ones? Do we not love our national anthem and sing it with piety? How much more that this has to do with our Christian identity![/quote] he also talks about dance in the liturgy in that letter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theologian in Training Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 I'm sure I will be criticized for asking this, but I have gotten used to that coming here anyway, but what is this point of this thread? Seems and sounds to me to be no different than gossip in another form. Just an observation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 [quote name='Theologian in Training' post='1776952' date='Feb 9 2009, 01:44 PM']I'm sure I will be criticized for asking this, but I have gotten used to that coming here anyway, but what is this point of this thread? Seems and sounds to me to be no different than gossip in another form. Just an observation.[/quote] +J.M.J.+ in a way, i agree, but i guess that's why i started to post specific Church documents. and i think it is good that people ask, "is such-and-such an abuse?". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 [quote name='Theologian in Training' post='1776952' date='Feb 9 2009, 04:44 PM']I'm sure I will be criticized for asking this, but I have gotten used to that coming here anyway, but what is this point of this thread? Seems and sounds to me to be no different than gossip in another form. Just an observation.[/quote] I agree Father, but it also spurs me to pray for for the Church in America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Church Punk Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 I have witnessed enough, but im not going to say, because it seems to me most people who do these things just dont know any better, so who's fault is it? I have found that attempting to instruct leads to horrible and bitter fights. So I wont say. Just live with it, and go to Extraordinary Form of the mass when ever possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted February 10, 2009 Author Share Posted February 10, 2009 [quote name='Theologian in Training' post='1776952' date='Feb 9 2009, 02:44 PM']I'm sure I will be criticized for asking this, but I have gotten used to that coming here anyway, but what is this point of this thread? Seems and sounds to me to be no different than gossip in another form. Just an observation.[/quote] Actually, I just wanted to mention the two things I quoted and bolded, but in the context of discussion rather than as a limited Q&A. Sometimes the answers leave me realizing all the many things I don't actually know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 We have a copy of the GIRM in the defense directory, and you can always post questions in q & a, so this thread is going bye-bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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