RemnantRules Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 As hinted at before, it will open the flood gates to who should and shouldn't receive health care. I'm looking a head at what this could do, and where do you start drawing the line on who is eligible to receive treatment, and how much of it, and how long? I know our health system is not the best, but our country has taken every step since the 60's to attack on the dignity of human life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Oh, beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeology cat Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 [quote name='Tinkerlina' post='1778701' date='Feb 11 2009, 02:27 PM']That's a good point. I have mixed feelings on healthcare, I can see the pros and cons of a nationalized healthcare system and private healthcare. I didn't realize the UK NHS had a competitive private sector-perhaps we should strike a balance like this. They would keep eachother in check, maybe. -Katie[/quote] Yep. If you feel you are waiting too long, or not getting the care you want, you can go to a private physician. We've yet to have a problem with the NHS (my husband has had emergency surgery here, and I had Kieran here). As with anything, there are variations according to what part you live in (the same could be said in the US), but here, at least, there's a good balance it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 [quote name='Tinkerlina' post='1778434' date='Feb 10 2009, 11:25 PM']I'm not totally sure how I feel about the rationed healthcare, though I guess I don't see that it is that different from how Insurance Companies work (though, of course, those who can afford it can buy better insurance) but I agree totally with your thoughts on the elderly often having to undergo procedures and have measures taken that do nothing but cause them more pain and suffering and prevent a natural, peaceful death. At my nursing home we had a lady that was on a feed tube for almost 2 years-it was painful to see , she had been a resident for a while and was always a kick-it was depressing to see her staring into space, mumbling to herself, not having any enjoyment in life whatsoever. It's also sad when employees basically have to force people out of bed to walk, eat, drink, exercise just to justify themselves as there is nothing more terrifying to a Healthcare facility than the prospect of a lawsuit. -Katie[/quote] A feeding tube is not an extraordinary measure to keep someone alive - nourishment is a basic human right. Would you prefer they simply starve her to death like Teri Schiavo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didacus Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 If the medical centers stopped performing abortions, would there be more availability to provide medical services? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 [quote name='Didacus' post='1778917' date='Feb 11 2009, 03:15 PM']If the medical centers stopped performing abortions, would there be more availability to provide medical services?[/quote] dingdingding! we have a winner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerlina Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 (edited) [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1778821' date='Feb 11 2009, 02:26 PM']A feeding tube is not an extraordinary measure to keep someone alive - nourishment is a basic human right. Would you prefer they simply starve her to death like Teri Schiavo?[/quote] A natural death of an 80-something year old is a completely different situation-in most cases, during the dying process (in a natural death-if I'm not mistaken the resident I'm talking about had, in addition to severe dementia, pulmonary failure and a slew of comorbidities),the body starts shutting down, thus the person does not get hungry-hunger would be counterintuitive to a body that is dying. -Katie Edited February 12, 2009 by Tinkerlina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerlina Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 [quote name='Archaeology cat' post='1778797' date='Feb 11 2009, 12:49 PM']Yep. If you feel you are waiting too long, or not getting the care you want, you can go to a private physician. We've yet to have a problem with the NHS (my husband has had emergency surgery here, and I had Kieran here). As with anything, there are variations according to what part you live in (the same could be said in the US), but here, at least, there's a good balance it seems.[/quote] Cool. Seems like it's working out well. -Katie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerlina Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 To clarify the feed tube issue, my understanding was that a Catholic in good standing can't take a feed tube out once it is in place, but I didn't think a person in the natural process of dying of "old age" so to speak, was obligated to have one inserted. -Katie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 [quote name='Tinkerlina' post='1779253' date='Feb 11 2009, 10:31 PM']To clarify the feed tube issue, my understanding was that a Catholic in good standing can't take a feed tube out once it is in place, but I didn't think a person in the natural process of dying of "old age" so to speak, was obligated to have one inserted. -Katie[/quote] It depends on if the person is going to die tomorrow or a month from now. If the person is going to die immediately it would be a waste of time, but if the person is not in immediate danger of death then it would be murder to withhold nutrition and starve them to death. My mum stopped eating several days before she died of cancer, a feeding tube would have been pointless. Terri Schaivo was murdered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerlina Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1779282' date='Feb 11 2009, 10:58 PM']It depends on if the person is going to die tomorrow or a month from now. If the person is going to die immediately it would be a waste of time, but if the person is not in immediate danger of death then it would be murder to withhold nutrition and starve them to death. My mum stopped eating several days before she died of cancer, a feeding tube would have been pointless. Terri Schaivo was murdered.[/quote] Well, in most cases I've seen personally-I can't attest to anything I haven't witnessed-utilizing a feed tube for someone who is dying naturally, especially in old age, is pointless. I've never seen anyone with decisional capacity consent to have one inserted-it's always been their kids, who, of course with no ill intent but perhaps somewhat selfishly, insisted that one be used. I'm not criticizing people who do this personally because I realize it's a very difficult decision. I just know that if it were me in their shoes, I wouldn't want it. I wasn't talking about cases like Terri Schiavo. -Katie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1778402' date='Feb 10 2009, 07:09 PM']I take it this only is in regards to those whose health care is being paid for by the gov't. I mean, if you have the money, you can have just about anything you want that's not spiritual.[/quote] No, it is about rationing health care in general for the elderly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 [url="http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20070801_risposte-usa_en.html"][u]CDF Response to Certain Questions Concerning Artificial Nutrition and Hydration[/u][/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 The Church considers the use artificial nutrition and hydration as ordinary and proportionate means for providing nourishment to one who is ill. To fail to provide this support could lead to the crime of murder by starvation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 [size=1]This is horrible! UGH! But its not unexpected I suppose. If the government is in control of everything, guess they get to choose how they want to do things. But that doesnt mean its right. Its time to fight the power! [/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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