goldenchild17 Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 mhmm I got a book on it at home. I'll look some up when I get out of class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 [quote name='goldenchild17' post='1785921' date='Feb 19 2009, 10:42 PM'](not particularly certain on this last point).[/quote] In all documented cases, this is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 (edited) [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1785944' date='Feb 19 2009, 10:54 PM']In all documented cases, this is true.[/quote] This is why I cant understand for the life of me how people dont belive in God or His Church. I just can't. And I know just because you believe doesn't mean your going to heaven. I could die in a state of mortal sin and go to hell. I accept that. But what I dont accept is how people can't or refuse to not believe in God when He has given them so many reasons to believe. Edited February 20, 2009 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenchild17 Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1785944' date='Feb 19 2009, 08:54 PM']In all documented cases, this is true.[/quote] ok yeah I thought so but wasn't sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonkers Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 [quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1785910' date='Feb 19 2009, 09:36 PM']And that's why you an atheist would be decieved by the antichrist because the antichrist is going to have a GREAT EXPLANATION AND JUSTIFCATION AS TO WHY HE OR SHE IS GOD.[/quote] Great, bring it on. Claims + evidence + plausible explanation is far more believable than claim + no evidence + boring appeals to emotions or burn in hell. [quote]Do you not understand the antichrist is going to make fire come down from heaven ? Going to perform so many signs and wonders that even elect christians will be decieved. (christains who reject the catholic church) So by your own admission bonkers you will be decieved because you dont have the seal of the holy spirit on you. So when the antichrist and his angels perfom all these sign and wonders you will follow just like a little lost puppy. Good luck with that.[/quote] I'll keep it in mind, but I don't think it's ever gonna happen dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonkers Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 [quote name='goldenchild17' post='1785921' date='Feb 19 2009, 09:42 PM']Not in most cases, no. But it has happened. Cases occur where this "wafer" appears in flesh and blood form and its tested and proven to contain real human flesh, and if I'm not mistaken, the same blood type in all the cases (not particularly certain on this last point).[/quote] Sources? Possible hoax? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 (edited) hey whats up just pm'd you. and lesat you have a seed of truth planted now so if "IT" does happen you might think to look at the catholic perspective. But still even if doesn't happen in ur lifetime you are still going to die one day and have to approach the judgement seat of God. And wether you like it or not God does not think you are a good person. You can hate that about God and you can say that makes God a jerk and everything else. But it still doesn't change the fact that it's true. Jesus paid the price so you can escape the wrath of God. Why not take that free gift ? Edited February 20, 2009 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenchild17 Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 (edited) [quote name='bonkers' post='1786238' date='Feb 20 2009, 05:53 AM']Sources? Possible hoax?[/quote] I'm sure you could find a few through google searches on eucharistic miracles. The Miracle of Lanciano stands out as one of the more prominent cases. Is it proof that God exists, particularly in this wafer? I believe so, but one can always come up with an alternate explanation if he really wanted to. I'm not going to try to push them on you. I'd suggest, if you really were interested, to get a book documenting some of these stories (Eucharistic Miracles by Joan Carroll Cruz is the one I've got and its pretty decent). Then examine it on your own time when your not feeling pressured by someone who wants to convert you and just see what happens. If you do want to talk about it more in depth let me know. peace Edited February 20, 2009 by goldenchild17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonkers Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 [quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1786240' date='Feb 20 2009, 07:56 AM']hey whats up just pm'd you. and lesat you have a seed of truth planted now so if "IT" does happen you might think to look at the catholic perspective. But still even if doesn't happen in ur lifetime you are still going to die one day and have to approach the judgement seat of God. And wether you like it or not God does not think you are a good person. You can hate that about God and you can say that makes God a jerk and everything else. But it still doesn't change the fact that it's true. Jesus paid the price so you can escape the wrath of God. Why not take that free gift ?[/quote] I don't care whether god thinks I'm a good person. That he would punish me on the account of someone elses sin is reason enough not to follow this particular deity. I don't think I'm a particularly good person either, but I don't think I deserve eternity in hell. I know you will say "you choose eternity in hell" and I will respond by saying I don't. You can't convince me of your god if I don't agree if I think your theology is screwed. I suppose you will say "he is ignorant and lacks understanding" but I know enough of Christianity to know it's not the right religion for me. But as I've said all along the main reason not to follow the Christian god is the lack of evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 When people say it's lack of evidence, they really mean they don't accept the evidence that is available. If there were no evidence at all of God, then we wouldn't be discussing God at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 [quote name='Winchester' post='1786417' date='Feb 20 2009, 02:23 PM']When people say it's lack of evidence, they really mean they don't accept the evidence that is available. If there were no evidence at all of God, then we wouldn't be discussing God at all.[/quote] Yes, there is evidence. There is also evidence for mermaids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Not the same kind of evidence. There is evidence for God in the way there is evidence for morality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Also, one can not prove they love someone or someone else loves them by the scientific method. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffpugh Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Delivery Boy -- your aims of "evangelization" are noble, but running into the conversation flailing like that is only turning Bonkers off. Anyways, I'm not happy about the atheist bus ads... but I guess it gets people thinking about God... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rizz_loves_jesus Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 [quote name='Hilde' post='1785289' date='Feb 19 2009, 06:10 AM']People change their whole view on reality because of bus ads?[/quote] iawtc. Do they really expect people to change everything because of a few words on the side of a bus? This just shows atheists are getting desperate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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