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[quote name='Giolla' post='1786109' date='Feb 20 2009, 12:31 AM']TBN is nuts.[/quote]


serioulsy :mellow: i would really like some catholic leaders to address John Hagee. They did once and he apologised about his remarks about the cathoic church being the whore in revelations. He said that he doesn't believe that and was said to be sincere. But I have been watching him recenty and he's preaching this rapture thing feverently. The same with Jack Van Impre. Either these guys are right and the catholic church is wrong or they are false teachers and need to be labled that and people need to be warned. I know John Hagee has one of the biggest ministries out there. Millions of people hear him.

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[quote name='Seven77' post='1786575' date='Feb 20 2009, 06:23 PM']we can't wish something bad on TBN...there may be errors taught but truth comes through in kernals. TBN can plant seeds. TBN's better than nothing b/c if it introduces Christ to someone it's a start in the right direction--right?[/quote]


Ya you're right but the rapture stuff has to go or be dealt with. Because everytime I hear it it tugs on me to pull away from the catholic church.

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I can't relate to that brand of Christianity at all. It's like the religious equivalent of kitsch and fake plastic flowers.

But I do think Seven77 has a point in that they can bring some good to people. I used to find that kind of stuff tacky and loathsome -- but if it brings someone back from the brink where they are out of hope, it has its place.

And yeah, one can hope they move on to more fullness of truth later on

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Ya Godbless TBN

If anyone from there is reading this start sharing the hardcore truth.
If the church teaches there is no pretribulation rapture then quit endorsing preachers who teach there is.
It's either false teaching or it isn't.
False teaching leads to deception.
Satan works through deception.

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The concept of the rapture holds no weight at all. I guess I should clarify that all people are instruments of God and he works through them, but no I don't endorse the errors of that network.

Though I do have a soft spot in my heart for Johnny Cash.

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Ya what if a antichrist appears in the desert claiming to be Christ and telling people he wants to rapture them away.


I know....

A buncha people go out to the dessert to go get "raptured" away.


Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert,’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the secret chambers,’ do not believe it. [E]For as the lightning comes out of the east and shines even to the west, so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be. [F]For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together

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Matthew 24:23-31,

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

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[quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1787201' date='Feb 21 2009, 04:14 AM']Ya what if a antichrist appears in the desert claiming to be Christ and telling people he wants to rapture them away.[/quote]

Then there will be a lot of hot, stupid, thirsty people.

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[quote name='Ash Wednesday' post='1787210' date='Feb 21 2009, 05:45 AM']Then there will be a lot of hot, stupid, thirsty people.[/quote]


But what if he actually takes them away. He'll be able to form signs and wonders to fool even the very elect. Im sure he'll rapture them away somwhere. He is the prince of the air ya know....

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[quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1787205' date='Feb 21 2009, 05:00 AM']Matthew 24:23-31,

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 [font="Arial Black"]For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.[/font][/quote]

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I thought rapture was supposed to take people away up to heaven. I don't know if satan could do that. I think there's a lot of things that go on that fool people, usually I see it more in the forms of false apparitions, especially Mary.

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