MithLuin Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 If we go around bragging about how humble we are...we're probably not actually humble at all. If you are truly humble, you see yourself honestly, and see other people with God's love. There is nothing debasing about that. Humble people are amazing listeners. I like to surround myself with humble people.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socalscout Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 I think it is human nature to believe your opinion carries more weight than the other in certain matters. Why give it? I think but I do not pretend to know human nature as well as I thought. I really only know my nature and I tend to believe I am right all the time, ask my wife who has proven me otherwise on many occasions. I do notice I get into some head butts here on PM with my fellow Massers because I believe opinion is not doctrine when some might think otherwise. I tend to think the softer more compassionate side of our Faith and Christ’s teachings resonate more with me so I tend to argue based on that even though really it is [u]all[/u] of God’s love. I quickly recant when doctrinal proof is provided to back one’s opinion however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philothea Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1789243' date='Feb 23 2009, 09:55 AM']If you call yourself humble, are you still humble?[/quote] Jesus called himself humble, too. And obviously he was! So it's possible to say so truthfully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachael Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 [quote name='XIX' post='1788797' date='Feb 22 2009, 10:48 PM']There is a gulf...nay, an ocean of difference between how much people think they know about a particular issue, versus what they actually know. Doesn't seem to matter what the subject is or what side of the issue they fall on, or how popular or unpopular their opinion is. People tend to value their own opinions far beyond their actual worth. On a similar (or maybe not?) vein, no saint has ever said "Yeah, I think I'm a pretty good person." or "I'm not perfect, but I try to be a good person." They always say "yeah I'm a wretched sinner, the least or everybody in the Kingdom, etc. etc." Am I wrong? [/quote] truth is, we don't know cr[font="Arial"]a[/font]p about cr[font="Arial"]a[/font]p. we all just act like we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleFan Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 I've heard the same about peoples' self-evaluations of their driving ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old_Joe Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 St. Joseph of Cupertino repeatedly rebuked a young child for saying, "Giuseppe is a good man." He didn't want his pride inflated at all. He often referred to himself as a donkey or a mule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XIX Posted February 23, 2009 Author Share Posted February 23, 2009 [quote name='rachael' post='1789351' date='Feb 23 2009, 02:36 PM']truth is, we don't know cr[font="Arial"]a[/font]p about cr[font="Arial"]a[/font]p. we all just act like we do.[/quote] basically. [quote]I've heard the same about peoples' self-evaluations of their driving ability.[/quote] iawtc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 One can honestly say they're humble when they take as much pride in everybody else's achievements as they do in their own. In my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piccoli Fiori JMJ Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 The holy fathers teach that there are two kinds of humilty: to regard oneself lower than everyone else, and to ascribe all one’s achievements to God. The first is the beginning, the second the consummation. St. Gregory of Sinai, The Philokalia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkwright Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 [quote name='JeffCR07' post='1788874' date='Feb 22 2009, 10:26 PM']The Rule of St. Augustine says, "every other kind of sin has to do with the commission of evil deeds, whereas pride lurks even in good works in order to destroy them." Intellectual pride, no less than other forms of pride, really should be avoided at all costs.[/quote] Jeff.. man I have missed you around here... hopefully you'll be around more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkwright Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 ok... not sure if I'm going too far with this, but I'm going to say it anyways... I've noticed it a lot here on phatmass, especially in the debate boards. Its tough to say when the debate is truly a debate or has gone beyond that to a prideful "I'm not going to lose this" thing. I know I may be guilty of this also, I apologize to the readers and members of phatmass for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 [quote name='rkwright' post='1789650' date='Feb 23 2009, 06:32 PM']ok... not sure if I'm going too far with this, but I'm going to say it anyways... I've noticed it a lot here on phatmass, especially in the debate boards. Its tough to say when the debate is truly a debate or has gone beyond that to a prideful "I'm not going to lose this" thing. I know I may be guilty of this also, I apologize to the readers and members of phatmass for it.[/quote] It's because I'm always right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puellapaschalis Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 What about if you have a chronic thing whereby you always always always underrate and underestimate yourself? I'm often told by friends and colleagues that I shouldn't be so hard on myself, and that I should recognise what I can do, what I'm good at, and what I do know. Where's the line between being honest about your positive qualities and not being humble? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleFan Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 [quote name='rkwright' post='1789650' date='Feb 23 2009, 08:32 PM']I've noticed it a lot here on phatmass, especially in the debate boards. Its tough to say when the debate is truly a debate or has gone beyond that to a prideful "I'm not going to lose this" thing.[/quote] That's what it gets fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 [quote name='puellapaschalis' post='1790313' date='Feb 24 2009, 08:43 AM']What about if you have a chronic thing whereby you always always always underrate and underestimate yourself? I'm often told by friends and colleagues that I shouldn't be so hard on myself, and that I should recognise what I can do, what I'm good at, and what I do know. Where's the line between being honest about your positive qualities and not being humble?[/quote] +J.M.J.+ from what i understand, false pride is when someone gives you a compliment, and you say something like "oh no, it's no big deal/i'm not (pretty, handsome, a great singer, whatever)". the difference is when someone gives you a compliment, and you say, 'thank you, it's a gift from God' - acknowledging that it is God who gave you your talent/gift/whatever, and it is not your own doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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