Sen. Brownback Supports Sebelius

[Aloysius]

I'm not prepared to throw out all of Brownback's anti-abortion cred over this. Sure, it's crappy, but it's politics. Should he do stuff like this? no. Does this mean he's not still pro-life? no. if this apppointment were completely up to him, would he pick her for it? I bet dollars to donuts he wouldn't.

It's like when Santorum supported Specter in the primaries against a pro-life challenger on the rationale that if Specter didn't win the priimary, the democrat would probably win the seat (ie the pro-life republican candidate didn't have a chance in the general election). Do I think that's a wrong headed move? you bet. does that mean we should stop supporting Santorum? no.

wake me up when Brownback actually affects votes against the pro-life cause... Sebelius would be in there anyway regardless of Brownback's support.

yes, this is dissapointing because we all thought Brownback to be one of the few non-compromisers out there... hey, Santorum had a reputation like that too; and both of their reputations are largely deserved, even with a couple political-alliance maneuvers that speak to the contrary, because their voting records speak for them more than those things.

[Dave]

Here are a few comments from an article found here: [url="http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=437992"]http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=437992[/url]

[quote]I don't think congratulating an appointee from your home state and being willing to cooperate with that person on things is "abandoning" the pro-life issue. Cardinal George issued a statement congratulating Obama and being willing to work with him on a broad range of issues, while empasizing the importance of the right to life. I wouldn't say Brownback is selling out pro-life. It is the nature of politics to disagree on issues, yet be willing to work together where possible.[/quote]

[quote]I'm not sure I understand how congratulations to a fellow statesman(woman) constitutes supporting her position on abortion. Your article has not convinced me that Brownback has "thrown the unborn under the bus".[/quote]

[quote]Your entire thesis for this article is flawed. How did Senator throw the unborn under the bus because he congratulated Sebelius? It sounds like he is trying to maintain a positive working relationship with her as she already wins this nomination. We don't have to worry about the staunch pro-life Brownback. I am a litmus test voter; Pro-life or the highway, yet the only way to bring this country back to its roots is to come up with better solutions, not just bash everybody all of the time![/quote]

[quote]As a resident of Kansas I can tell you that Brownback is not pro-life for political reasons only. This article saddens me because it simply is not true. Brownback has not abandoned his pro-life beliefs or the cause. His attitude towards Sebelius, even though they disagree on this issue, actually reveals his true Christian character, something lacking in those "Christians" who are attacking him for it.[/quote]

[quote]I think Sen. Brownback, who is planning a run for Ks. governor, is playing this smart. With the strongest Democrat in Ks., a Republican state, safely away in D.C., Brownback has a good chance of becoming governor and healing the splits in the weakened Ks. Republican party. He is a strong Catholic (convert, no less) and pro-life. He can do much good for the pro-life and pro-family cause as Kansas governor.[/quote]

[quote]This story continues to infuriate me. For those of you who do not live in Kansas you do not understand how important it is for the sanity and well-being of certain people in this state that she leave, for good. Sebelius runs this state like a mafioso and has destroyed many good people here. She also would be a threat to win the Senate seat next year currently occupied by Brownback because of the outside money that she receives from out of state. The only way we can make our state more pro-life is to get rid of here. Brownback and Sen. Roberts would pay a political price IN KANSAS if they vote against her nomination. Obama will NEVER put a pro-life person in that position but Kansas can go forward in a more pro-life position if she is gone. GOOD RIDDANCE!!![/quote]

[Matthew91]

[quote name='Lounge Daddy' post='1803767' date='Mar 11 2009, 02:57 PM']So Brownback is down. Steele is out. Palin is gone. Who does that leave for anything resembling libertarian-minded conservative leadership with a stinking "r" after the name?

[url="http://loungedaddy.us/?p=314"]
Mitt Romney[/url]?
Ironic that Romney, who was pro-choice until he had a change of heart, was slammed for that by Brownback. I would say it's far more appalling to run as a hard-core pro-life candidate, and then go the other direction.

Unfortunately Romney has no problem dabbling in Socialism, and we've had far too much of that already. In fact we are way past "dabbling" in Socialism.[/quote]


Im liking Mitt Romney in 2012 right now. Palin? absolutely not. she has no chance of winning the election, not entirely her fault, but she sadly has become a national joke due to her portrayal in the media. Not to say we should follow the sway of the media, but it would be foolish to think they dont have an affect. With that said, we need a candidate with experience in business who can help fix the economy without resorting to socialism, and that man is mitt romney.

I like Jindal, but he should wait until hes a littler older, he has his whole political future ahead of him. you dont wanna overreach too soon.

[mamalove]

Dave, that last quote says it all

[Aloysius]

Everyone ask yourself: what is going on here? the liberals are in power and all of the sudden it seems everyone who previously seemed pro-life is being torn down by controversies... they're kicking the republicans when they're down trying to destroy any possibility that they could make a comeback in 2012 on the one issue that they can still rally the American people around. these controversies are being used to divide the republican party in its moment of greatest weakness; like I said, wake me up if Brownback does something that actually causes pro-abortion policies, right here it's just a stupid political maneuver when he can't do anything about the appointment anyway.

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='Aloysius' post='1803897' date='Mar 11 2009, 03:46 PM']they're kicking the republicans when they're down
...
he can't do anything about the appointment anyway.[/quote]

He cannot do anything... So Brownback announces that he supports the pro-abort nominee going into the Senate confirmation hearings? He's one of the Senators rolling out a red-carpet welcome for her.

Convictions go out the window in favor of political back-scratching from fellow Republicrats.

And it's the Republicrats with the "r" after their names that are kicking themselves while they are down. They lost the last few elections, and they are responding by moving further to the left... which is where the Dems are also.

Brownback is leading the welcome for Sebelius in the Senate. Palin made the final pick for the pro-abortion Justice for the supreme court. Steele repeatedly slammed the GOP that he is supposed to be leader of, compared them to Nazis, and slammed old-school conservatives like Limbaugh. They did this themselves.

In addition to that, Republicans are responsible for growing government while in control of the Congress and White House, they are responsible for 40% of the earmarks right now. They ignored pro-life legislation forwarded by Ron Paul while they controlled Congress. The Republican leadership went along with the BOMB (Bush Obama McCain Bailout) and the second bailout that also passed on Bush's watch.

And guess which 2008 presidential candidate worked closely with ACORN, was endorsed by a pro-choice group, and has had his campaigns funded by George Soros and Teresa Kerry? If you said BOTH candidates, you are correct.

The Republicans and the Democrats are the same party, in practice -- if not in fact.

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='Aloysius' post='1803897' date='Mar 11 2009, 03:46 PM']Everyone ask yourself: what is going on here?[/quote]

In 1963 the Soviets stated that the socialists intended to, among other things, "[url="http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm"]capture one or both of the political parties in the United States[/url]." Congress was actually informed of this.

Guess which one they got first? Guess which one fell second? Thus, socialists like Soros and Kerry had funded both 2008 presidential candidates.

That's what's going on here.

[TotusTuusMaria]

[quote name='Didymus' post='1803822' date='Mar 11 2009, 02:43 PM']Aaron Schock 2016[/quote]

AGREED. I him.

Pretty awesome guy.

Edited March 11, 2009 by TotusTuusMaria

[Aloysius]

I agree with you and support Ron Paul. But I am also realistic and think that Brownback has done one stupid political maneuver but in general is still a friend of the pro-life cause; I don't trust him or any other republicans on much but some of them like Brownback have a very decent pro-life record. it's about as good a record as Santorum had, with some questionably stupid political maneuvers.

honestly, I don't see how you can at the same time decry the republicrats in congress and at the same time discuss the viability of a Mitt Romney in 2012... that's just insane. Brownback is still MUCH better than Romney, though neither is anywhere near a true conservative like Ron Paul.

[Socrates]

I'm with Al here.
This is just "diplomacy," although, I'd say he should've showed more backbone. The truth is, with Team Obama in control, there's simply no way ANY pro-life surgeon general will get nominated.
Brownback's voting record is solid pro-life.

Calling Sen. Brownback a "scumbag" over this single incident is getting a bit out of bounds.

[MissyP89]

Indeed, Socrates. This is only one strike against his otherwise solid record...don't beaver dam him for one bad decision--you wouldn't want God to withhold mercy on you, either. If the trend continues, you can worry then.

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='Aloysius' post='1804180' date='Mar 11 2009, 09:49 PM']honestly, I don't see how you can at the same time decry the republicrats in congress and at the same time discuss the viability of a Mitt Romney in 2012... that's just insane. Brownback is still MUCH better than Romney, though neither is anywhere near a true conservative like Ron Paul.[/quote]

You are right. Maybe if he held political office, he would be acting the same as the other Republicrats. He's a political snake, too.

Brownback rolls out the red carpet for the other pro-abort politicians, Palin appoints a Planned Parenthood board member to the Supreme Court, Steele slams the conservatives as well as his own party. Maybe Romney would hold the scissors for the abortionists -- who knows? Nothing surprises me with the Political Class anymore.

No way will I vote for any of these people anymore.

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='Socrates' post='1804184' date='Mar 11 2009, 09:59 PM']I'm with Al here.
This is just "diplomacy," although, I'd say he should've showed more backbone. The truth is, with Team Obama in control, there's simply no way ANY pro-life surgeon general will get nominated.
Brownback's voting record is solid pro-life.

Calling Sen. Brownback a "scumbag" over this single incident is getting a bit out of bounds.[/quote]

It's not solidly pro-life anymore. He's supposed to be casting a dissenting vote against her. But leading a red-carpet welcome for Sebelius is a little more than "diplomacy."

Brownback was on with Catholic radio talk show host Al Cresta in 2007 and complained that the problem with politics in Washington is that too many people compromise principles in the name of political games. He said that too many people go to Washington thinking that they can change things for the better in Congress. But then they begin mistakenly thinking that they can only change things for the better if they stay in Washington -- and thus they begin down the road of compromising ethics.

Two years ago, when he was running for President, Brownback said that. I think he is also living it.