Is Michael Steele Pro-choice?

[Hassan]

[quote name='Lounge Daddy' post='1806618' date='Mar 13 2009, 10:47 PM']You're such a sweetheart, Hassan. [/quote]

lol, some may dispute that


I really don't know where I am politically. I'm pretty suspicisious of all ideologies really, particularly political and religious ones. I do hope to get back on some of those Norzick books sometime.

[Saint Therese]

All republicans are pro choice, no matter what they say.
Proof: There was a Republican president and majority in both houses for at least four years.
Yet little headway was made.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Saint Therese' post='1806712' date='Mar 13 2009, 11:44 PM']All republicans are pro choice, no matter what they say.
Proof: There was a Republican president and majority in both houses for at least four years.
Yet little headway was made.[/quote]
Saying that all republicans are pro choice is a pretty radical claim. Some might say that all musicians are communists or socialists. Lots are. Sometimes it's hard to find conservative ones.

Except they exist.

Black swans........

[Saint Therese]

Ok, let me rephrase it.
All elected Republicans are politicians, and politicians do what is politically expedient.
The only difference between Dems and Reps is that the Rep's claim to be the good guys.
They are not.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Saint Therese' post='1806796' date='Mar 14 2009, 12:56 AM']Ok, let me rephrase it.
All elected Republicans are politicians, and politicians do what is politically expedient.
The only difference between Dems and Reps is that the Rep's claim to be the good guys.
They are not.[/quote]
I still have this wacky fringe theory that there are politicians out there who are more or less decent enough people.

[Saint Therese]

That's because you're naive.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Saint Therese' post='1806836' date='Mar 14 2009, 01:35 AM']That's because you're naive.[/quote]
I like to think I have childlike innocence, personally.

[Saint Therese]

Unfortunately, you need to be a jaded cynic to understand politics.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Saint Therese' post='1806864' date='Mar 14 2009, 01:53 AM']
Unfortunately, you need to be a jaded cynic to understand politics.[/quote]
My 96% in grade twelve social doesn't count?

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='Saint Therese' post='1806796' date='Mar 14 2009, 01:56 AM']Ok, let me rephrase it.
All elected Republicans are politicians, and politicians do what is politically expedient.
The only difference between Dems and Reps is that the Rep's claim to be the good guys.
They are not.[/quote]

Ya, there is a reason the two major parties have been seeming terribly similar over the years. Unfortunately the people that fund the party, run the party. The last presidential election had two major candidates, McCain and Obama, and both were heavily funded by George Soros and Teresa Kerry.

It's a game now, and nothing more. That's why they don't talk about who is qualified to run for office -- they only talk about who could "win." It's the same people pulling the strings in Washington. The same people funding the Republicrats with a "R" after their name, are the very same people funding the Republicrats with the "D" after their name.

Both parties are largely funded by exactly the same Socialists -- many through George Soros's political organisations. This is why we are seeing what we are seeing today.

Thus, the Republicrat Party: one political party with two faces. This is the Republicrat Party that attempts to be a "big tent" and offer something for everyone. But it's still one party.

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1806628' date='Mar 13 2009, 10:51 PM']lol, some may dispute that


I'm pretty suspicisious of all ideologies really, particularly political and religious ones.[/quote]

Really? What do you think Islam is? It is a political [i]and[/i] a religious ideology. But you don't seem suspicious of it at all...actually rather reverent and defensive of it. I'm just saying you might want to re-think the statement you just made about being "suspicious of all ideologies, particularly political and religious ones". Maybe tweak it to read "all except Islam".

[Hassan]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1807037' date='Mar 14 2009, 02:52 PM']Really? What do you think Islam is? It is a political [i]and[/i] a religious ideology. But you don't seem suspicious of it at all...actually rather reverent and defensive of it. I'm just saying you might want to re-think the statement you just made about being "suspicious of all ideologies, particularly political and religious ones". Maybe tweak it to read "all except Islam".[/quote]
Well it depends on the situation. Sometimes, often in fact, I do not feel that the attacks one sees here often are entirely fair. Or if they are fair are hypocritical for the religious individual who says them and I am simply pointing this out. Other times the attacks expend to Muslims and I am defending Muslims from what I feel are unfair attacks. And sometimes I know that an issue is more nuanced than the attackers are portraying and, as there are no Muslims here, feel obligated to present something like another side to the debate. I generally avoid voicing negative feelings towards Islam here because the view is so overwhelmingly negative already I do not feel the discussion would result in anything more than cheep shots and bashing (not unique to here, that happens whenever you have a group mentality, I don't exempt myself from it). But Islam is an ideology, as you say bother political and religious, and I do view it with suspicion like any other. And I do have my problems with it. I understand why you might feel that my claimed suspicion of ideologies is contradictory to what may be seen as my attitude towards Islam, but I think what may be perceived as my attitude towards Islam is effected by the above. Sort of like when I am in the company of secularists who are largely hostile to the Catholic Church (unfairly hostile) I spend a good deal of my time defending it from what I feel are the unfair assaults and remain silent on my own problems with Catholicism because I worry that if I bring them up in that company it will just turn into a bash fest of the Church.

Edited March 15, 2009 by Hassan

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1807213' date='Mar 14 2009, 09:28 PM']Well it depends on the situation. Sometimes, often in fact, I do not feel that the attacks one sees here often are entirely fair.[/quote]


I think you and I both know this is not the answer to the question, is it?

See ya later, Hassan.

[Hassan]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1807237' date='Mar 14 2009, 09:13 PM']I think you and I both know this is not the answer to the question, is it?

See ya later, Hassan.[/quote]


The only question I can find in your post is "what do you think Islam is?"

I did respond by agreeing with you

[i]But Islam is an ideology, as you say bother political and religious, and I do view it with suspicion like any other. And I do have my problems with it.[/i]

If there were any other questions you had in mind I will answer them as best I can.

[Saint Therese]

I always think that the media did a diservice when they didn't show the complete videos of Americans being beheaded in Iraq by Al Quaeda. We only saw a sanitized version of what was happening, which lulled people into a false sense of security.
It was brutally shocking to see these Muslims kill Americans, cutting their throats like pigs and then cutting their heads off, all the while chanting Allah Ahkbar.