Is Michael Steele Pro-choice?

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='Saint Therese' post='1807243' date='Mar 14 2009, 09:22 PM']I always think that the media did a diservice when they didn't show the complete videos of Americans being beheaded in Iraq by Al Quaeda. We only saw a sanitized version of what was happening, which lulled people into a false sense of security.
It was brutally shocking to see these Muslims kill Americans, cutting their throats like pigs and then cutting their heads off, all the while chanting Allah Ahkbar.[/quote]

Truthfully, I don't think it would have mattered if the killings had been aired. Americans would still lull themselves into a false sense of security by telling themselves that those are just "a tiny minority of radicals" (I'm looking at you, Joe Biden, as well as countless scores of liberals, leftists and even some blind and naive Christians who think serving tea and cookies to radicals will change their hearts and minds). It's not the videos of killings that are proof of the encroaching Islamic threat. It's their steady and unwavering cultural jihad that's going to nail our coffins shut. As many authorities on the matter have already stated, They don't have to lift a single sword to conquer us. The West is handing them a victory with no bloodshed, by handing over our culture, our religion, our value system, our history and our ancestry.

Confucius: "The superior man, when resting in safety, does not forget that danger may come. When in a state of security he does not forget the possibility of ruin. When all is orderly, he does not forget that disorder may come. Thus his person is not endangered, and his States and all their clans are preserved."

[Hassan]

[quote name='Saint Therese' post='1807243' date='Mar 14 2009, 09:22 PM']I always think that the media did a diservice when they didn't show the complete videos of Americans being beheaded in Iraq by Al Quaeda. We only saw a sanitized version of what was happening, which lulled people into a false sense of security.
It was brutally shocking to see these Muslims kill Americans, cutting their throats like pigs and then cutting their heads off, all the while chanting Allah Ahkbar.[/quote]


I guess that's a fair point. But then again how many images of shockingly deformed Iraqi children from our DU shells or Afghan children torn apart by "Daisy Cutters" are shown on television? In the case of Afghanistan that resulted from overt media self censorship on the grounds that it might cloud the primary issue which was supposed to be dead Americans.

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1807250' date='Mar 14 2009, 09:30 PM']I guess that's a fair point. But then again how many images of shockingly deformed Iraqi children from our DU shells or Afghan children torn apart by "Daisy Cutters" are shown on television? In the case of Afghanistan that resulted from overt media self censorship on the grounds that it might cloud the primary issue which was supposed to be dead Americans.[/quote]


Once again, deflect negative commentary about Muslims to negative commentary about...well, anyone else but Muslims. It's the same with people who, upon hearing criticism of Obama, will immediately shift the conversation to criticism of Bush (who isn't even in the White House anymore). The actions of Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan--however unjust they may be--do not in any way relieve Muslims of culpability for their oppressive and violent actions all over the world. Mention of Iraq and Afghanistan as a response to Muslims beheading innocent people in videos solely to send a message of terror is a predicatable response from you, in your ever-present zeal for defending Islam at every turn--even to the point of condoning their pedophilia.

Edited March 15, 2009 by Madame Vengier

[Hassan]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1807272' date='Mar 14 2009, 09:49 PM']Once again, deflect negative commentary about Muslims to negative commentary about...well, anyone else but Muslims.[/quote]

I was not adressing her negaive commentary of Muslim but the news media. My point was that media self censorship did not only flow one direction.

[quote]Mention of Iraq and Afghanistan as a response to Muslims beheading innocent people in videos solely to send a message of terror is a predicatable response from you, in your ever-present zeal for defending Islam at every turn--[/quote]

If you want to discuss my attitude towards Muslims, either here or as presented in these threads, I have already written a post regarding it. Rather than adress that post you have, so far, accused me of not answering your question. Even though I did.


[quote]even to the point of condoning their pedophilia.[/quote]

huh?

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1807279' date='Mar 14 2009, 10:55 PM']I was not adressing her negaive commentary of Muslim but the news media. My point was that media self censorship did not only flow one direction.[/quote]

Irrelevant. The comment was about Islamic beheadings of innocent people and how, if Americans had seen the videos, they might takes these fanatics more seriously. It was NOT about the actions of American military in Iraq or Afghanistan. It was your usual modus operandi to shift commentary off Islam and onto someone else.

[Hassan]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1807299' date='Mar 14 2009, 11:14 PM']Irrelevant. The comment was about Islamic beheadings of innocent people and how, if Americans had seen the videos, they might takes these fanatics more seriously. It was NOT about the actions of American military in Iraq or Afghanistan. It was your usual modus operandi to shift commentary off Islam and onto someone else.[/quote]


Yes, that was her point. With her comment stands the larger issue of media coverage and portrayal of conflicts and evens in the Muslim world in particular and non-western world in general. I made an additional comment about that coverage as something to be considered along with it. It was not a directed effort to shift the focus off of anything, but simply a continuation of a discussion she began. If you want to discuss Islam or my attitude towards Islam I am, as I said, happy to do it. If you want to discuss Michael Steel I am happy to do it. If you just want to whine some more that I am not addressing the topic within what you feel to be an appropriate range of relevancy I really don't care.

[Lil Red]

+J.M.J.+
what does this have to do with the OP?