Lounge Daddy Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) Of course after questions over the legality of this, military authorities claim they are "investigating." But "legal" and "ethical" aren't the same thing. The Emperor can "make it legal." Last week [url="http://cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=45206"]active duty, armed and uniformed troops from Fort Rucker, Ala., stormed the streets of Samson, Ala.,[/url] in response to a murder spree. They then remained on patrol in the streets of the small community. I repeat, armed uniformed military are policing our city streets. [img]http://media.eyeblast.org/resources/45209.jpg[/img] All Government needs to do is wait for a crisis, encourage a crisis, or create one. After that, troops in our streets becomes the norm. Kinda being at war with against "terror." Or nationalizing our private industries. Fascism is here. Edited March 18, 2009 by Lounge Daddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Daddy Posted March 18, 2009 Author Share Posted March 18, 2009 I wonder how [url="http://loungedaddy.us/?tag=fema-camps"]those FEMA Camps [/url]are going? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Guys from Ft. Rucker aren't even National Guard. The Posse Comitatus is going to love this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 One time some years ago the Toronto mayor called the military in to clear roads and provide emergency services. Worst snow storm they'd ever had. Bottom line: was the military asked to step in, or was this somebody else's initiative? Might as well make sure, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1810619' date='Mar 18 2009, 01:41 PM']One time some years ago the Toronto mayor called the military in to clear roads and provide emergency services. Worst snow storm they'd ever had. Bottom line: was the military asked to step in, or was this somebody else's initiative? Might as well make sure,[/quote] See, in the US, there are law preventing the military from being used as police. It's called the Posse Comitatus act. One of the white supremacist groups I dealt with take their name from it. In addition to the regular military reserve, we have what is called the National Guard. They get paid the same, have the same uniforms as the regular reserve, but they are under the governor of the state they are based in. The President can call them up to go overseas, like to Iraq, but he can't activate them within a state. The governor does that, but usually only for disasters, floods, hurricanes, and sometimes civil unrest, usually following a natural disaster. For the Army to have sent regular duty, active troops into a state area for policing, it is just not done. It would be like the Governor General deviating from the throne speech and say what she really thinks. You know parroting Harper's stuff practically makes her wiggle off the throne. This is evidence again that Obama doesn't understand the US laws he is supposed to uphold, or he thinks he has been given a mandate that makes him above them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Ah, I see. That makes things very interesting... How big is this? Nationally? Like is everybody going to hear about this? Will it be a long term issue, or will it quietly disappear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 I can't imagine the folks in Alabama are too happy about it. They still call the Civil War the War for State's Rights, or the "Recent Unpleasantness." The problem with this kind of thing is that it is like turning up the boiler slowly. Who is going to protest the government coming in to help out when a gang war heats up and innocent people start getting caught in the crossfire? Would anyone in Canada think anything was wrong with troops going in to help with the gang war going on in Calgary or Vancouver? The problem is that once they are there, sometimes they overstay their welcome, and people start to forget why they came in the first place, especially when they have to show ID for a trip to the grocery store. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG45 Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 [quote name='Lounge Daddy' post='1810595' date='Mar 18 2009, 02:45 PM']The Emperor can "make it legal." Fascism is here.[/quote] First of all, we fortunately do not have an Emperor. We have a system of checks and balances in which there are three branches, judicial, legislative, and executive. While the executive branch can issue Executive Orders, these can be overturned; and it is unlikely that such an order would survive the outcry of both the public and the other two branches of government. Second of all, in my humble opinion, were fascism actually here you would not have been able to post that; nor would you continue to be able to voice your opinions of opposition to the government. Fascists have a tendency to murder those who speak out against them, and your continued health is a cheerful sign that we've not sunk so low as a nation. That said and done, I seriously had an eye twitch at this story and the picture more so than anything else. Under the Posse Comitatus Act the United States Military does not patrol our streets, period. Well unless there's a request put in, and at this point in the case it does not seem to be that this has occurred. They should do more than just look into this gaping breach in federal law, but people's careers should be rolling over this. Do I believe that the military acted with the best of intentions? Of course. Do I believe that they apparently have no concept of law in the base which deployed these young men? I'm definitely leaning that way. Does the very idea of a uniform military presence on our streets turning downtown America into downtown Baghdad both scare the poo out of me and fill me with revulsion? Definitely. CatherineM was speaking about how they still talk about the Civil War in Alabama where this took place; I technically live in the South. West Virginia to be exact; even here we still have people to this day which gnash teeth over who was right in the Civil War. Personally I'm pro-Union. However, maybe it is partially where I grew up as to why I'm so horrified by the idea of troops on the streets; my state was spared this during Reconstruction, because we remained loyal to our nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Daddy Posted March 18, 2009 Author Share Posted March 18, 2009 [quote name='BG45' post='1810817' date='Mar 18 2009, 05:26 PM']They should do more than just look into this gaping breach in federal law, but people's careers should be rolling over this.[/quote] They'll look into it all right. And make it legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 [quote name='Lounge Daddy' post='1810929' date='Mar 18 2009, 06:48 PM']They'll look into it all right. And make it legal.[/quote] I bet what they do is 'investigate', then 'conclude' that this doesn't count as military action on some technicality, or something along those lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Daddy Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1810947' date='Mar 18 2009, 08:06 PM']I bet what they do is 'investigate', then 'conclude' that this doesn't count as military action on some technicality, or something along those lines.[/quote] Like those war that aren't really wars, but "conflicts." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 [quote name='Lounge Daddy' post='1810595' date='Mar 18 2009, 01:45 PM']Of course after questions over the legality of this, military authorities claim they are "investigating." But "legal" and "ethical" aren't the same thing. The Emperor can "make it legal." Last week [url="http://cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=45206"]active duty, armed and uniformed troops from Fort Rucker, Ala., stormed the streets of Samson, Ala.,[/url] in response to a murder spree. They then remained on patrol in the streets of the small community. I repeat, armed uniformed military are policing our city streets. [img]http://media.eyeblast.org/resources/45209.jpg[/img] All Government needs to do is wait for a crisis, encourage a crisis, or create one. After that, troops in our streets becomes the norm. Kinda being at war with against "terror." Or nationalizing our private industries. Fascism is here.[/quote] Would it be better if the were BlackWater guys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Daddy Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 It would be better if it was local people policing the local city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Daddy Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 Unfortunately this a part of a Federal Government plan to bring local policing directly under the Federal jurisdiction. It began under the Bush presidency and while congress was in control of the Republicrats with the "R" after their name. So its not a republican or a democrat problem. It's a Government problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1810703' date='Mar 18 2009, 03:46 PM']This is evidence again that Obama doesn't understand the US laws he is supposed to uphold, or he thinks he has been given a mandate that makes him above them.[/quote] How in the world is this Obama's fault? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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