Ziggamafu Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 [url="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/5043287/Pilot-who-paused-to-pray-in-crash-landing-sentenced-to-10-years-in-jail.html"]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...rs-in-jail.html[/url] [quote]A Tunisian pilot who paused to pray instead of taking emergency measures before crash-landing his plane, killing 16 people, has been sentenced to 10 years in jail by an Italian court along with his co-pilot...[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Ziggamafu' post='1816306' date='Mar 25 2009, 04:37 PM'][url="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/5043287/Pilot-who-paused-to-pray-in-crash-landing-sentenced-to-10-years-in-jail.html"]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...rs-in-jail.html[/url][/quote] Then it sounds like your title was misleading. He was not sentenced to ten years for praying while on "the job". He seems to be in trouble for disregarding his duties in taking emergency actions. It didn't matter if he paused to pray of shhot the breeze on his cell phone, he's in trouble for actions which led to him failing to fufil his duties in a timely manner and 16 people dying in the subsequent crash. Additionally rather then landing at a near by airport as he was supposed to he crash landed the plane. Somewhat dishonest title. Edited March 25, 2009 by Hassan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' post='1816308' date='Mar 25 2009, 04:41 PM']Then it sounds like your title was misleading. He was not sentenced to ten years for praying while on "the job". He seems to be in trouble for disregarding his duties in taking emergency actions. It didn't matter if he paused to pray of shhot the breeze on his cell phone, he's in trouble for actions which led to him failing to fufil his duties in a timely manner and 16 people dying in the subsequent crash.[/quote] I agree. It seems that the Pilot did not follow the procedures that he should have been following. I'm not judging him, I mean I would have panicked and prayed too but that's why I'm not a pilot. If the prosecutors proved, somehow, that had the pilot not panicked and prayed and followed emergencies procedures properly that the plane would not have crashed then I will go with the prosecutors. I don't blame him for praying but he should have been following procedure as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 [quote name='StColette' post='1816313' date='Mar 25 2009, 03:47 PM']I agree. It seems that the Pilot did not follow the procedures that he should have been following. I'm not judging him, I mean I would have panicked and prayed too but that's why I'm not a pilot. If the prosecutors proved, somehow, that had the pilot not panicked and prayed and followed emergencies procedures properly that the plane would not have crashed then I will go with the prosecutors. I don't blame him for praying but he should have been following procedure as well.[/quote] Exactly. It would be like if I opened up a book and read for a few minutes and then, rather than landing at the near by airport, decided to try a crash landing in the water and 16 people died and I was charged drawing from this, "Pilot jailed for 10 yeards for reading on the job" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princessgianna Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 I might actually agree with Hassan on this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 [quote name='princessgianna' post='1816339' date='Mar 25 2009, 04:14 PM']I might actually agree with Hassan on this! [/quote] As an impartial observer I would say this is good pratical advise. You know he was once a great Sultan before giving it up in the name of peace? Obviously a very wise individual Alright then. I have agreed with you, Cmom, Lounge Daddy, and Aloysious. Hassan's starting to become mainstream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princessgianna Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 (edited) hey let's not get carried away I do believe that there are times that it is more holy to do something than pray! Pray always -however to stop get on your knees instead of running out of the burning house is I think not right! [size=1][font="Arial"](hope that makes sense and i am not burned at the stake for preaching heresy)[/font][/size] Edited March 25, 2009 by princessgianna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus_lol Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 i think if you started praying instead of seeking safety(not while doing it, but delaying actrions to pray) for yourself or others, that is above all stupid. and God would probably be thinking "shut the heck up already and land that plane!" if you cant rub your belly and pat your head at the same time, then you shouldn't be a pilot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princessgianna Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 [quote name='Jesus_lol' post='1816381' date='Mar 25 2009, 05:02 PM']i think if you started praying instead of seeking safety(not while doing it, but delaying actrions to pray) for yourself or others, that is above all stupid. and God would probably be thinking "shut the heck up already and land that plane!" if you cant rub your belly and pat your head at the same time, then you shouldn't be a pilot.[/quote] right that's what I am trying to say! tru dat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardillacid Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' post='1816308' date='Mar 25 2009, 04:41 PM']Then it sounds like your title was misleading. He was not sentenced to ten years for praying while on "the job". He seems to be in trouble for disregarding his duties in taking emergency actions. It didn't matter if he paused to pray of shhot the breeze on his cell phone, he's in trouble for actions which led to him failing to fufil his duties in a timely manner and 16 people dying in the subsequent crash. Additionally rather then landing at a near by airport as he was supposed to he crash landed the plane. Somewhat dishonest title.[/quote] Same title the BBC used Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dauntingknight Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Well at least some people still have faith in God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Where are the people who had issues with the pilot who landed his plane on the Hudson River but didn't stop to pray first? A pilot's first responsibility is to his passengers. If he isn't up to it, or doesn't agree with that, then he shouldn't be a pilot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus_lol Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 i guess this is a good example for why praying needs to wait until everyone is safe. 1)concentrated on his job and responsibility for others safety, stayed focused, found best option, pulled off a difficult maneuver and everyone was fine. 2)panicked, tried to give responsibility to a higher power, made further stupid choices and executed them poorly. 16 dead. i know which one God is happier about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fr. Antony Maria OSB Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 I know this is a technicality, but couldn't it be argued that the pilot who landed on the Hudson's actions were a prayer in and of themselves if he wanted them to be? St. Paul tells us to pray without ceasing, and St. Benedict expounds on this in the 54th chapter of his Rule to do everything so that, "in all things God may be glorified." I honestly think that the pilot in the Hudson's actions could easily be seen as glorifying God, and in that sense being a prayer, or running out of a burning house being a prayer. Not all prayer is done on the knees. I'm sure most of you knew this alreay, but yeah...just thought I'd say that. May God bless and protect you always in all of your endeavors! Your Brother in Christ, Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggamafu Posted March 26, 2009 Author Share Posted March 26, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' post='1816308' date='Mar 25 2009, 04:41 PM']Then it sounds like your title was misleading. He was not sentenced to ten years for praying while on "the job". He seems to be in trouble for disregarding his duties in taking emergency actions. It didn't matter if he paused to pray of shhot the breeze on his cell phone, he's in trouble for actions which led to him failing to fufil his duties in a timely manner and 16 people dying in the subsequent crash. Additionally rather then landing at a near by airport as he was supposed to he crash landed the plane. Somewhat dishonest title.[/quote] I thought about making it: Pilot Gets 10 Years In Jail For Praying On The Job... ...and killing 16 people in the process -but I didn't want people to think I was associating prayer itself with the deaths. It is a touchy subject, so I went with the "during emergency situation" subtitle. The primary title was meant to grab attention, while the subtitle was meant for clarification. Apparently the subtitle failed miserably, so apologies! Anyway, I posted this article with intent of provoking a discussion on why God allows suffering and why certain prayers are not answered in ways that seem favorable. I'm sure this pilot meant well (it would take a whole lot of faith - regardless of the lack of prudence - to "pause" for prayer during such a situation; I'm sure the pilot honestly expected to get some divine help)...so why wasn't his prayer answered? Why did God allow this scandal ("scandal" for those who see this as yet another example that God doesn't care or doesn't exist)? So yeah, that was the intent of my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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