Mr.Cat Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 [quote name='Luthien' post='1825361' date='Apr 5 2009, 05:11 PM'] I always thought it was John, but Im no scholar. [/quote]I have personally heard it was Saint John the Apostle too... But I don't think there is an explicit answer from the Scriptures.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1825386' date='Apr 5 2009, 05:29 PM']I makes perfect rational sense, but somehow it doesn't sit entirely comfortably with me. I mean, it seems like everything else in the Bible has a very deep secondary meaning to it. This 'random naked guy' really doesn't do anything to help the narrative along, so saying that he just wanted to escape the soldiers seems... I dunno. It seems like I'm missing something important.[/quote] "And the most stouthearted of warriors shall flee naked on that day, says the LORD." - Amos 2:16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinytherese Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Wow, I honestly had never even heard of that part with the naked guy in a towel until today. Only took me 20 years to hear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosey Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Me too! Tres bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 It was so embarrassing for Jews to be naked, that most scholars believe that this passage is probably true. Nakedness was like how pagans acted, and you don't make up things to purposely embarrass yourself. As to the tradition that the young man was John Mark, the purported author of Mark, in "Word Meanings in the New Testament", Ralph Earle says, “This brief incident is found only in this Gospel. It might be Mark’s way of saying, ‘I was there.’ If the Last Supper took place in the home of John Mark’s mother (cf. Acts 12:12), Judas Iscariot may have returned there first to betray Jesus. We can then understand how John Mark would be roused, perhaps grab a sheet to cover his body, and rush to [Gethsemane] to warn Jesus.” The Greek word used to describe his linen cloth was the same word used later to describe Jesus' burial linen. The first Christians may have seen this as the fulfillment of a prophecy in Amos describing the Day of God’s Judgment, “and he who is stout of heart among the mighty shall flee away naked in that day," Amos 2:16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 That's exactly what I was looking for! Not this starts to make more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinytherese Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 (edited) I'd feel too awkward asking St. Mark if that was him, "So I was wondering...just out of curiousity were you..." So I'd just ask Our Lord what happened there. Edited April 5, 2009 by tinytherese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1825414' date='Apr 5 2009, 05:47 PM']It was so embarrassing for Jews to be naked, that most scholars believe that this passage is probably true. Nakedness was like how pagans acted, and you don't make up things to purposely embarrass yourself. As to the tradition that the young man was John Mark, the purported author of Mark, in "Word Meanings in the New Testament", Ralph Earle says, “This brief incident is found only in this Gospel. It might be Mark’s way of saying, ‘I was there.’ If the Last Supper took place in the home of John Mark’s mother (cf. Acts 12:12), Judas Iscariot may have returned there first to betray Jesus. We can then understand how John Mark would be roused, perhaps grab a sheet to cover his body, and rush to [Gethsemane] to warn Jesus.” The Greek word used to describe his linen cloth was the same word used later to describe Jesus' burial linen. The first Christians may have seen this as the fulfillment of a prophecy in Amos describing the Day of God’s Judgment, “and he who is stout of heart among the mighty shall flee away naked in that day," Amos 2:16.[/quote] Maybe you missed it, but I said that in posts 14 and 17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1825427' date='Apr 5 2009, 04:55 PM']Maybe you missed it, but I said that in posts 14 and 17.[/quote] I did miss that. I was probably typing on mine while you were posting yours. I got interrupted by a phone call so didn't post very quickly, and didn't check to see what else was said while I was on the phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddieloudog Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 My pastor had something to say about this guy in today’s Gospel. He said that it represented everyone who stayed with Jesus and have Faith in the good times ([i]ie the Christians that are Faithful when it is easy to be[/i]). But when we are faced with real trials in His Name – risking our job, or friends, our status in this life, face ridicule – we flee in shame, naked in the night; Exposed as we really are, charlatans and fakes. St Mark might have saw himself as this type of person. It seems that all of the 11 were. It was really powerful. We need to hear more of this from the pulpit in the state that we live in! Louie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 [quote name='Saint Therese' post='1825337' date='Apr 5 2009, 06:01 PM']Man this argument might win an award. From peaceful to contentious in less than seven posts.[/quote] Yeah, random comments aimed at making a person look foolish in front of others tends to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 [quote name='tinytherese' post='1825372' date='Apr 5 2009, 06:16 PM']I've read that book and have "Did Jesus Have a Last Name?" too. I hope that I remember my questions, but then again it's eternity. I'll have lots of time to remember them. [/quote] Ben-Joseph most likely was his last name. Or rather, whatever the Hebrew translation of Joseph is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1825406' date='Apr 5 2009, 06:40 PM']"And the most stouthearted of warriors shall flee naked on that day, says the LORD." - Amos 2:16 [/quote] Awesome. Um, not really Gospel-related, but St. Francis stripped down to his birthday suit in the town square when he announced to his father that he was abandoning all material things to follow Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1825631' date='Apr 5 2009, 07:22 PM']Yeah, random comments aimed at making a person look foolish in front of others tends to do that.[/quote] She didn't make me feel foolish. I was just trying to apologize and explain how I missed her posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1825635' date='Apr 5 2009, 09:28 PM']She didn't make me feel foolish. I was just trying to apologize and explain how I missed her posts.[/quote] I wasn't referring to you, CM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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